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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Jim Bedford Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 597 From: Telluride, CO, USA (733 mi. WNW of Rockwall, TX but it seems much, much longer) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-27-2005 11:20 AM                        quote: Bill Gabel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To the operators at the Cleveland Film Festival... Why don't you drop these guys a line and tell them directly? What they don't know seems to continue to hurt others: http://clevelandfilm.org/ Marcie Goodman mgoodman@clevelandfilm.org Executive Director William Guentzler wguentzler@clevelandfilm.org Director of Programming  |  IP: Logged John A Galinac Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Eastlake OH Registered: Mar 2005 posted 03-28-2005 03:08 PM                     Thanks to all at Film Tech for documenting film damage that has occured at the 29th Cleveland International Film Festival. It will be a long time before all the print damage comes to light. Please post anything that you learn about damaged films or poor presentations. Thanks, John A. Galinac IATSE Local 160 216-621-7854  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-07-2005 08:40 AM                        Hey, you, at the Tower Theatre in Salt Lake City, UT., you suck! You sent me Rainbow's print #120 of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, with all the usual issues. Leaders were spliced on with opaque tape, you obviously didn't make any attempt to fix the chopped fade-outs at the end of R1 and R2, and you rewound the reels inconsistently (most were heads-out, emulsion-in, some with flipped soundtracks on the leaders). And you apparently ran this at 1.85 (it's 1.66), or at least didn't bother to correct the information on the tail leader label.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-07-2005 02:41 PM                     quote: at the Tower Theatre in Salt Lake City, UT., you suck! Hey now... don't pick on the Tower. That's a pretty neat little place (LOL) The Tower is one of the last little neighborhood theatres left in SLC. This city used to have scads of these little neighborhood theatres, and I used to work at one of them-part time with it being gone now. I used to go there many-a-times-when I lived down there in the mid-70's. They had Enarcs for the lamphouses, SuperSimplex on Sh1000's, a big booth with a BIG picture window for the ports, Union Operators making $7.98/hr, an auditorium that was very roomy and a combination stage/screen setup. And this place would show what was then called the '2nd run films' (who ever heard of discount/buck theatres back then). Now, it's a special vennue run house doing both live and screen. So, with you getting "MP" in the shape you got it, one can understand why with the amateur help-prob kids not even old enough to know how to thread a projector correctly. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 04-08-2005 11:40 AM                     [ 04-09-2005, 01:58 AM: Message edited by: Kevin Wale ]  |  IP: Logged Brent Allen Sadler Film Handler Posts: 6 From: New Eagle, PA/United States Registered: Jan 2005 posted 04-08-2005 03:22 PM                     I am very familliar with this type of film damage. I run a second run booth for Carmike and had simmilar damage with Collateral. I ended up ordering and entire new print because after inspecting the film I was shure it wouldnt make it past the first sproket on the projector. Every time I get a print in that condition I just order a new print and blame the downtime on TES for their "Integrity Inspecting" services. I usually get a new print in on Friday morning. In this particular case, I got a new print.  |  IP: Logged Richard May Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1057 From: Floral Park, NY USA Registered: Aug 2004 posted 04-08-2005 04:00 PM                     Damaged prints from the Cleveland Film Festival? Wow, who saw that one coming? What a surprise.  |  IP: Logged Charlie Frisby Film Handler Posts: 58 From: Guymon, Ok USA, org. from DFW Registered: Dec 2004 posted 04-08-2005 09:50 PM                     Kevin quote: Kevin Wale How would you mess up a reel if it had clear tape anyway? The only way you could is if you make a cut instead of peeling the tape off. I for one peel tape off of the film. That is what this forum is was based off of, poorly breaking down. The reason the film was damaged was the clear splices on a dark film are hard to see, and sometimes hard to feel. The damage is caused by backing the film up, and running it forward on platters that do have the option to back up. I am no pro compared to you Kevin, but I break down much better with the zebra tape. No one has come to me complaining about the tape showing up on the screen, and probably never will. It is a lot less noticeable than cap code, and even more so than dirt off of leaders.The fact is I do like the clear tape, but our manager is in agreement that the zebra tape IS, in fact, the tape that out theater prefers. And masking tape IS the tape we use to break down with, and until the theater manager (not you) decides to supply us with artist tape, we WILL use masking tape to secure out outgoing prints. If you don't agree with that, no one is begging you to stay at the theater, though you do protect us from the dreaded dirty leaders. So hey you, Kevin, you suck! Friz  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 04-08-2005 10:23 PM                     edited because tone of voice isn't carried through to print and no matter how hard I try to convey that, it'll probably still just make things worse anyway. Sorry Frisbie, staff at SC, and everyone else. [ 04-09-2005, 02:01 AM: Message edited by: Kevin Wale ]  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-09-2005 03:27 AM                        quote: Charlie Frisby I break down much better with the zebra tape. No one has come to me complaining about the tape showing up on the screen, and probably never will. if zebra tape is the stuff i'm thinking of, then no, noone will complain about it because the yellow bits are not in the image area, and hopefully don't occlude the soundtrack. it's more an issue of peelability. quote: Charlie Frisby And masking tape IS the tape we use to break down with, and until the theater manager (not you) decides to supply us with artist tape, we WILL use masking tape to secure out outgoing prints. just go to the nearest stationery store, buy a roll, hand the receipt to your manager, and say "booth supplies". are you really going to get grief over a $7 purchase? carl [ 04-09-2005, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: Carl Martin ]  |  IP: Logged Jason Gazaille Film Handler Posts: 46 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-09-2005 12:05 PM                     Funny how someone that using masking tape is telling someone else they suck. If I receive a print for opening day that has been in a theatre for a press screening that has masking tape and opaque or zebra tape, I refuse it. Ask Technicolor why print 64 of The Pacifier went right back to them. The theatre that had it had two screenings and I refused to run it through our projectors. I had a replacement a couple hours later. Try splicing one side of the film rather than using masking tape. It makes a world of difference.  |  IP: Logged Charlie Frisby Film Handler Posts: 58 From: Guymon, Ok USA, org. from DFW Registered: Dec 2004 posted 04-09-2005 12:17 PM                     Apologies for having stupid co-working arguments over film-tech. I don't want to piss off Brad or anyone else. Things will be taking care of and this tread can continue on about things other than us bickering like a married couple. I will purchase some artist tape for the next break down. The splicing over one side sounds cool, but it being that we use zebra, it may just bother more people. I want to be on board with fellow projectionist, and that is why i consult this site. Frisby  |  IP: Logged Rich Ferrando Film Handler Posts: 64 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-09-2005 12:35 PM                       If you don't want to spend tons, you can get Artist's Tape from Dick Blick Art Materials (yeah, they need a better name) for as low as $3.50 for 60-yards. http://www.dickblick.com/zz230/01/products.asp?ig_id=2541  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-09-2005 12:54 PM                     Now, I'm gonna throw a bit of a side topic here. Why is artist tape, or even masking tape being placed on the head leads, usually in the title section of the leads, on some prints with the prints come in from the labs? I ususally peel off this white tape and save it to tape down the ends of the leads when shipping out, or even use this tape to mark the end of the filmroll for the title and other information. I haven't used masking tape in a bunch of years since this white artits's tape is available and free. thx-Monte  |  IP: Logged Tao Yue Expert Film Handler Posts: 209 From: Princeton, NJ Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-09-2005 01:32 PM                        The title of the film on the leader is typically printed clear against a black background, and are difficult to read since the underlying film shows through the clear areas. With artist's tape, they become white-on-black, which is much easier to read.  |  IP: Logged

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