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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-20-2004 01:58 PM                        For those who don't know, Jeffry worked with Jess Daily (UCLA Film Archive) in developing standard SMPTE 301M. Tom Kuhn at Deluxe Laboratories in Hollywood was also instrumental in the work (hope that I didn't forget anyone). You can purchase the standard here: http://www.smpte.org/smpte_store/standards/ quote: John Pytlak SMPTE 301M-1999: for Motion-Picture Film - Theater Projection Leader, Trailer and Cue Marks This standard specifies the make-up of assembly of leaders and cue marks for 70-, 35-, and 16-mm motion-picture release prints for use in motion-picture theaters and screening rooms. And the printing master (to make leaders) here: http://www.smpte.org/smpte_store/test_materials/ quote: John Pytlak Theatrical Projection Leader New Item! 35-PL (Theatrical Projection Leader)  |  IP: Logged David Buckley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 525 From: Oxford, N. Canterbury, New Zealand Registered: Aug 2004 posted 08-20-2004 07:09 PM                        Just received HP3 copy 51 from a 'plex up the road (direct to us, their postage labels proudly displaying their brand), and aside from the film being wound emulsion side out on the reel, I find the tails on every reel spliced on like this (and sorry for the poor picture quality): That yellow thing is underneath the (single side) splicing tape so obviously it wont peel off. I've not seen (in my entire history of preparing three previous films) something like this before - is this normal (make that acceptable) or is this wrong? Update: The splice at the start of reel 2 let go, nice unplanned intermission... Also, its got one of these: Thats a silver reflective rectangle underneath (presumably) clear splicing tape? Should this not also have been removed by whoever put it on? Should I worry about this (given we are going to show the film exactly once) and if I should, how should I remove it??? [ 08-21-2004, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: David Buckley ]  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2004 08:32 PM                        The silver thing is an automation cue and yes it should have been removed. You probably can't remove it without leaving sticky gunk, however, unless you use a little bit of Film-Guard to help. It's always wrong to stick anything in the picture area if you can possibly help it. That yellow sticker is just a lazy person's way of finding a reel-end splice...totally unnecessary. Remove it if you can, but it probably won't peel cleanly either.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-20-2004 08:50 PM                     This one goes out to you, Regal Regency 7 in Merced, CA. I just got Napoleon Dynamite from you and man am I not impressed. Did you intentionally drag the film across the floor or what? Cause it's filthy. And what's with the scratches? Opposite the soundtrack, looks like the film was dragging on a brain. When oh when will you get your platters timed? And I know you guys are used to it, it's like a trademark or something, but you should consider ordering something other than that solid yellow crap you think is splicing tape. They lied to you. And another thing, fix that damned splicer already! It stratched the perforations. Oh and check your sprockets, it looks like you've got one with a nice sharp edge on one side, the SRD track definitely shows it. And the fact that the tail tag read "all flat" makes me wonder if you mis scope and flat trailers/prints...?  |  IP: Logged Steven Jantzen Film Handler Posts: 30 From: goodwell, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Jul 2004 posted 08-21-2004 05:01 PM                     This goes to who ever had print # 00062 of "De-Lovely" last Thanks for the the added effort of putting the DTS disc case back in the can, but next time, PUT THE DAMN DISCS IN THE CASE.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 08-22-2004 01:37 AM                        How do you know it was the last person that kept the discs?  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-27-2004 04:15 AM                     Thank you Technicolor labs for not only delaying my print of Pooper Babies: Babie Geniuses 2. When I recieved my print tonight it was not only wound emulsion out but still wet! My fingers were green...Just from handligh the edges! And that beautiful curl, that was great. That feature had more cupping action than Victorias Secret. And did any one elses prints of Suspect 0 have no head on R1 but rather the head at the tail with the tail attatched to it?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-27-2004 05:34 AM                        quote: When I recieved my print tonight it was not only wound emulsion out but still wet! My fingers were green...Just from handling the edges! And that beautiful curl, that was great. I assume only one reel was "wet"? (Individual reels are usually printed and processed on separate machines, usually on different days). Obviously, request a replacement reel. Any chance the film got wet in shipping?  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-27-2004 11:24 AM                     They were all wet, actually.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-27-2004 12:02 PM                        Having all reels of a feature "wet" or improperly dried after processing would be a very unusual occurrence, given that the labs usually print and process each reel separately, often on different equipment and on different days. So I suspect the film got wet during shipping. In the USA, film is sometimes shipped from the lab to the film exchange in corrugated cardboard boxes, so it could happen in wet weather at the airport or truck depot. Anyone else have wet film on this one?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-27-2004 01:31 PM                     It's Super Babies. Does anyone really care?  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-28-2004 02:55 AM                     I wouldn't care but we'll probably have it for months on end just because it's a kids movie. I think John may be correct. Since it first started playing today I noticed it shed BADLY and the image is very grainy. We're running media saturated with Film-Guard but it's only helping slightly. Meanwhile the pads are turning different colors. I suspect it's only a matter of time before we have a flakey picture and poor sound.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-28-2004 10:56 AM                     Dominic, WHY didn't you call for a replacement print right away?! You don't have to pay when its lab damage. Call today and you'll probably still be okay.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-28-2004 12:06 PM                     Good point. I'm holding out to see if it gets any better with FG on it today. We shall see.  |  IP: Logged Bill Langfield Master Film Handler Posts: 280 From: Prospect, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-28-2004 12:18 PM                        I would have thought if the print was 'wet' from water/rain, it would be sticky as hell to make-up, and would be un-runable on a platter. Both times I've had a print get wet from water, the layers of film where the water had seeped between the layers, they adhered to each other like, erm, like unwinding a reel of masking tape (where the film had got wet). Also if the cardboard box had got that wet, that all the reels were wet as well, would it not be clear looking at the box that it had been saturated and proberly falling to pieces? Lastly, rather than bite the hand thats feeds me, like I normally do, ALTLAB (co-company of the one I NOW work for), they also ship in the cardboard boxes, but all reels are either in seperate plastic reel containers or each reel is sealed in quite thick plastic bags, seperated buy coragated cardboard slips. So what do Technicolor do? Just throw the flats into a cardboard box and hope it does'nt rain? I've only ever been to a lab once (Atlab), from what I 'thought' I saw, they grabbed each reel and packed it, like reel 1,2,3 they were puting into the boxes, but as there was 4 printers going perhaps printer 1 was doing reel 1 and printer 2 doing reel 2 etc over and over if you know what I mean. (Hoyts made us go, I was late for the tour and I was tired as hell. Should do a solo visit and pay more attention)  |  IP: Logged

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