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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-08-2004 01:14 PM                     quote: Chase Hanson I dont think you guys would be able to read any of ours...we usually "recycle" our tail tape to attach heads/tails. That means you suck. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-08-2004 02:13 PM                     No We're frugal. That friggin tape is expensive as hell (like $5 a roll) and im trying to petition our theater to purchase two new media cleaners.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-08-2004 03:23 PM                        Have you checked out what prints cost? How can it not be worth the cost of 36" of "artists tape" (assuming 6" per reel times six reels) to ensure that the print arrives in good condition for the next user? Tape is generally not re-usable, as it loses some of its stickiness with each application. This is why reel bands are a good idea and why depots should use them.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-08-2004 03:26 PM                     Oh my, very potentially damaging prints in return transit to the depot over a roll of tape that costs FIVE BUCKS??? Is your theater hurting THAT badly?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-08-2004 04:00 PM                     $5.00 for a roll of tape? How about $15.00? That's what Permacel Gaffer's tape costs. If you buy it by the case you can get it as cheap as $11.00 per roll.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-08-2004 04:06 PM                        "Penny wise and pound foolish".  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-08-2004 04:16 PM                     Realistically, it's not like a failure to secure the ends results in the print being trashed. Usually it just means it is a gross inconvenience to the next person. (Tangled tails, all 3 reels need to be removed from the can at once in order to untangle, etc.) I agree that in extreme cases it can lead to sufficient unravelling that there may be accidental cinching from a future well-meaning operator, but I think that is extremely rare. Is my sense of things wrong? --jhawk (who does support using virgin paper tape on reel ends)  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-08-2004 04:24 PM                     After seeing first hand what a can goes through with our standard carrier...Using tape that is only 95% as tacky as it was off the factory roller is the least of concerns.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-08-2004 04:35 PM                     Doesn't matter. Your theater is cheap and you still suck.  |  IP: Logged Charles Phillips Film Handler Posts: 39 From: St. Charles, IL Registered: Jul 2004 posted 12-08-2004 04:55 PM                     Just because somebody down the line will treat a print like doesn't give you the excuse to do the same thing. Be the more mature and better projectionist and give a print your best.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-08-2004 06:09 PM                        I have been reusing the 8" Technicolor strips of tape that we get lately, because I understand TES re-tapes each film after inspection anyway. I think that length of tape will work a 2nd and 3rd time, as long as the user doesn't get his fingerprints all over it. Anything else gets a new 6" piece of tape from me.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-08-2004 06:44 PM                     quote: John Hawkinson Is my sense of things wrong? Do I really need to answer this? YES!!! I can't tell you how many times I've opened up a can with film in it all mangled around adjacent reels with severe damage done to the beginning of each reel. What Mike does by reusing the TES tape for shipment back is ok because they are putting enough of a stretch on there that it will hold (which was the whole point of it), and the tape they are using is high enough quality to permit it. Prints from ETS however that are not returned with fresh tape come from sucky theaters with operators that clearly don't give a flying shit about what happens to that print after they have played it. It's a pathetic attitude and wholly unprofessional. Besides, if a theater is THAT FRIGGIN' CHEAP, they can always buy the 79 cent roll of cheap masking tape. Fresh cheap masking tape is better than reusing old tape or not putting enough on there to secure the roll during transport.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-08-2004 07:16 PM                  jhawk... you're post is soooo f*cking stupid, I cannot even think of a response! I would LOVE to KILL those idiots that do not secure film ends.  |  IP: Logged Ever Gonzalez Film Handler Posts: 29 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-08-2004 07:22 PM                     oh my, oh my, oh my! Chase, let me worry about the expense of the tape and use however much is needed to secure prints. We have a role basically at each projector. When I was first learning how to thread and clean projectors. etc, the person who was training me told me this after I asked, "well isn't that using too much?" His response was, "who cares, they will order more." I have never ever told an employee that they are using too much tape or too much alcohol or windex. Now if they were using the Permacel for something else, then we do have the cheap scotch tape for that, like taping your performance schedule together in that neat little folded design that works for you. Now I am not saying that employees should now use however much they want since its not them paying for the supplies, I do have a budget to follow, but they should realize that the supplies are there for a reason.... TO BE USED! What does bother me is when I walk into concessions or box office and see Permacel Tape down there. That bugs me! Or when they take toothbrushes to clean the oven or what not!  |  IP: Logged Jason Gazaille Film Handler Posts: 46 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-08-2004 07:33 PM                     Hey Writer's Guild of America Screening Room in Los Angeles, you STILL suck!!!! I received your print of Finding Neverland last Thursday. First of all, R-1's reel was in two pieces. The film was wrapped SO loosely that the other half of the reel couldn't be put on without destroying the film. The half it was on was so far away from the core I'm surprised that one was on. The half with the reel side had the soundtrack facing the wrong way, so I had to wind it to a house reel and back to the shipping reel to inspect it by holding the reel onto the inspection table with a glove so it wouldn't fall off the table. I then wound it back to the shipping reel (which was a Technicolor/Fox hybrid) that fit well together and was not broken at all. Amazingly, there was little damage to the soundtrack. There were scratches on the base surface, but could not be seen on screen. The reels were not secured properly. R-3's 1 inch piece of used tape came loose and there was film everywhere in the box. R-5 was loaded Tail out and upside down. I had to inspect the film from underneath after I rewound it. This is the second used, trashed print I have received from ETS/Miramax in a row. The first was lab problems that were not reported to ETS before they networked us the print. Rather, the thoughtful projectionist at the Sunset Screening Room left a note attached to the reel inside the box. As we know, ETS does not do integrity checks most of the time so nobody knew there was a problem until I opened the box. I had sneak previews for both those films and they took our prints we shipped out in "new" condition and sent us messed up prints for our engagement. ETS confirmed over the phone that the Writer's Guild was the last one to show the print of Neverland.  |  IP: Logged

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