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Rich Ferrando
Film Handler

Posts: 64
From: Royal Oak, MI
Registered: Nov 2003

posted 12-20-2004 04:37 PM

[QUOTE] And finally, to whatever dumbass designed the theatres so that the exit lighting shines all over about half of our screens, you REALLY SUCK!!!! [/QUOTE

We had a bright exit light shining on one of our screens when in Scope (since the door is a mere three feet from the edge of the masking), and it was easy enough to block with an angled piece of black cardboard.

If your exit lights use the 15-watt tubular bulbs, you could also try replacing them with a lower-wattage nightlight bulb, say 4 or 5 watts, which should cut down that glare considerably. (Provided, of course, that using a lower wattage doesn't violate any local ordinances.)

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David Yauch
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 206
From: Mesa, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-20-2004 04:59 PM

The local ordinances are the problem we have. There is nothing we can do for these auditoriums.

Some of the theatres have a little hallway that leads to the exit doors, and it's only required that the light be by the door so we don't have to worry about anything getting on the screen. In the others though its a pain in the ass.

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Steve Kraus
Film God

Posts: 4094
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 12-20-2004 11:51 PM

Are they actually taking light level reading off the exit signs? Do they open them up to see what's in them? If not then I see no reason you can't reduce the brightness to a level that is still safe but doesn't harm your presentation as much. Lower wattage bulbs as others have said. Note that you can buy screw-in adaptors that will allow a calendabra base bulb to work in a standard medium base socket. A diode in the line will be similar to cutting the foltage in half. (3A 250PIV or better will do.) You also get to change bulbs less often. Only for incadescants though. How about a sheet of neutral density filter behind the sign?

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David Yauch
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 206
From: Mesa, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-21-2004 04:01 AM

I'll definately do some asking around. One of the guys from our engineering department said that "there is nothing we can do." It sounded like he had heard the question before so I assumed he had researched all the options.

Hopefully we can do something, but the exit lighting will still be about 1 foot from the side of the screen.

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Jesse Skeen
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1517
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 12-21-2004 12:38 PM

Why do customers keep coming back if there's light from the Exit signs on the screens?

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 12-21-2004 01:49 PM

You really need to be creative in keeping light off the screen, and yet keep the EXIT sign lit enough for patron safety.

One idea is to use the directional filter material used for ATM screens to limit viewing angle:

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Chase Hanson
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 172
From: San Diego, CA
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-21-2004 02:47 PM

AMC Mission Valley 20 in San Diego, California you suck! I saw your 10:15pm show of Lemoney Snicket on 10/20/04 in Auditorium #4. There was no less than a dozen scratches on screen at one time from Coming Soon to ending Credits and your Feature Presentation snipe was in the wrong format. How on EARTH did you guys manage to mangle a print that bad in less than 4 days?

That is seriously the [u]worst[/u] presentation I have personally ever seen at that theater and in the top 5 for all time. Please tell me its being fixed.

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David Yauch
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 206
From: Mesa, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-22-2004 12:19 AM

quote: Jesse Skeen

Why do customers keep coming back if there's light from the Exit signs on the screens?

It's only on some of the theatres. And honestly, I doubt 99% of them notice, I've never heard a single complaint about it.

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Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 12-22-2004 10:46 PM

quote: David Yauch
One of the guys from our engineering department said that "there is nothing we can do." It sounded like he had heard the question before so I assumed he had researched all the options.

Assume nothing! "There's nothing we can do about it...." That's engineering-speak for: "There's nothing we WANT to do about it. What are you busting our chops for? We are not about to get up on ladders to change bulbs in a couple a dozen fixtures to lower wattages just because you think they are to bright. They are the bulbs that came with the fixtures. And who are you to tell us we need to do extra work? And, oh yeah, it's a city ordinance...yeah, that's it....a city ordinance....we researched it. Can't do a thing about it, Buddy."

I bet if YOU got up on a latter and changed them to half the wattage bulbs they wouldn't bat an eyelash.

I've been on THAT train before. [Roll Eyes]

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David Yauch
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 206
From: Mesa, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 12-22-2004 11:09 PM

Now the problem would be convincing my GM of two things.

1) That it's worth it(I'm sure this will be very easy)

and 2) That it's legal.

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Monte L Fullmer
Film God

Posts: 8367
From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 12-22-2004 11:40 PM

On the exit signs: Some of our theatre's exit signage has the 7 or 13 watt mini flourscent in them that really glow quite bright.

Some tricks that can be done:

1-goto an autosupply store and buy sheets of the window tint material. Get the 90% limo tint stuff, cut sheets of that, and maybe dbl the sheets as well to fit the sign frame, and this should cut down the glare some.

2-if the light is centered in the panel: cut a piece of cardboard twice the size of the light and place this cardboard in front of the light to get rid of the "hot spot" that the light is emitting. But only on mini flourscents bulbs.

3-Take the "exit" part out, and there should be a solid green sheet of plastic that the light luminates from behind. Get a can of green spray paint, and spraypaint on side of the plastic completely. When dry, put the painted side inwards back in the sign frame. This really cuts down the light output of either mini flourscent or T-6B mini incadescent bulbs.

some tips for you. - Monte

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

Posts: 3836
From: Albuquerque, NM
Registered: Feb 2000

posted 12-22-2004 11:50 PM

One could also try mounting the sign fixture on a wedge to angle the sign's light away from the screen and towards the audience. This works well with side exits that are close to the screen.

Similarly, one could also make and mount a gobo in such a way as to mask the sign's light from the screen area yet still allow the sign to be seen from the audience area.

Either way you don't have to futz with reducing the light output of the fixture itself--just re-aim or flag it.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 12-24-2004 11:24 AM

Hey, you, at the IOKA theatre in Exeter, New Hampshire, you suck! Actually, I like your theatre (or did when I was last there about five years ago), but you sent me a print of a Three Stooges short (which you evidently played back in February) in crappy condition. It arrived with both head and tail leaders missing (maybe not your fault) and with no protective film whatsoever to replace the head and tail leaders (definitely your fault). This resulted in damaged film, destroying the opening fadein. It also got tape goo over the tail. Although you used enough tape to leave goo, you didn't actually use enough tape to hold the film down in transit.

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Dan Lyons
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 698
From: Seal Beach, CA
Registered: Sep 2002

posted 12-25-2004 06:36 PM

Ok, we have a repeat offender here. Once again, Century Stadium 25 in Orange, CA, YOU SUCK! [fu]

Went to see "life aquatic" at 1:45. Out of focus. I complained, 5 minutes later someone is up there racking the FRAMING up and down for over a minute. They never fixed the focus; clearly whatever dummy was up there didn't know what knob was what!

I had to endure the rest of the film out of focus and now out of frame with negative splices showing.<family was mad at me for getting up and down to complain>

I'm convinced there isn't a multiplex in OC giving a quality show. [puke]

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Monte L Fullmer
Film God

Posts: 8367
From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 12-26-2004 03:07 AM

quote: Dan Lyons
I'm convinced there isn't a multiplex in OC giving a quality show.

...now you wonder why the DVD market, along with the home theatre interest is growing like crazy.

Plus, with those "film reelers" who build actual 35mm "screening room" theatres in their homes, it's the ONLY way to fly (which is something I'm drafting up for my new home..).

Megaplex owners are getting what they deserve when they don't want to pay for experience and professionalism in presentations: a big pile of CRAPOLA..!

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