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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 12-16-2004 08:26 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Neumade tape is about 35 feet. Jack Roe is about 50 feet. Others vary too, so "X number of rolls" really cannot be used for a comparison.

Please open a new thread referencing this one for continuing discussion on this topic so that sucky projectionists can continue to be outed on this thread.

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Ever Gonzalez
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 - posted 12-17-2004 12:54 AM      Profile for Ever Gonzalez   Email Ever Gonzalez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We received a screener print from Pacific Theater's Gaslamp 15 in Downtown San Diego of Spanglish.

They left the yellow splicing tape on along with using the cheap 99 cent tape that stuck to the film like glue!

Splices were cut crooked! The tear down person ran into a little problem to where I could see some platter damage on the film.

I removed 2 chem splices.

Entire print had cinch marks.

The person who built the print.... "Slick Manny." Ha ha

Question:

Do they actually make cue tape that look like they were hole punched from a sheet of aluminum? That was soo annoying to get off and it was right on the picture! Is that right?

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Aaron Garman
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 - posted 12-17-2004 01:44 AM      Profile for Aaron Garman   Email Aaron Garman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey,

Whoever attached the trailer for War of the Worlds to our print of Lemony Snicket's hasn't a clue. They cut right into the Paramount logo, with both that and the splice at the end of the trailer out of frame. In addition, the head was spliced on backwards to the head of the trailer. Luckily, the part of the Paramount logo that was cut out was on the head of R1, so all was saved albeit a lengthy figuring it all out session!

AJG

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Brad Miller
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Same problem on my Lemony Snickets. The attached trailer was cut at visible frame lines. No lead in black or fade out at the end, and it was cut during the fade-up of the Paramount logo. Fortunately I was able to ultrasonic splice the logo back together such that it looked fine, but that friggin' trailer went straight into the trash. I'm pretty sure that was an ETS depot job to blame.

Oh and by the way, the Regal / UA Cinema 6 in Santa Fe, New Mexico, you suck too! I got your print of Spanglish, which I doubt you ran more than twice. While I will give congratulations for managing to break the print down with single sided tape splices, all the leaders back on the proper reels and even without soundtracks crossed...you used a "generous" 1-2 inches of cheap masking tape which came apart during transit to me, leaving a few of the reels in an unraveled mess! It's just masking tape guys. It's mega-cheap. Use at LEAST 4 inches! [Mad]

But that's not all, thanks to whomever built it up who felt the need to put Sharpie tick marks on the framelines during the darker reel changes...right through the SDDS and Dolby Digital soundtracks!!! Why can't you put tiny dots on the non-soundtrack edge in between the sprocket holes? And why did you feel the need to mark up a FOOT like this? Thanks to you, those reel changes now have a noticeable jump in action because I had to cut it out due to the soundtrack damage.

And really, what's with leaving two ID frames on some of the leaders? Seriously now, why?

Oh I wish that was all, but it seems the person who built this print isn't smart enough to know that the barcode cues go on the base side of the print...so he/she of course put the cues on BOTH sides of the print, and had no courtesy to put the cues ON TOP OF a piece of splicing tape so that they could EVER be removed again. Thanks guys. Thanks for the nice big ugly blobs now in my presentation.

Speaking of blobs...how did you manage to get the print so dirty? Was there a duststorm in New Mexico when you had this print? The pads came off with an absurd amount of dirt, and the quantity of dirt specs through the picture was worse than what I see at dollar houses. I'm quite baffled as to how you did it!

I will spare you the rant of how SHITTY the reel changes looked. Did you let the ends of the reels slap around on the rewind bench or perhaps drag them around the parking lot?

But of course dirt can be removed, at least to a certain extent. So with that, thank you for laying that lovely dancing scratch down the right side of the image through the ENTIRE MOVIE for me.

You suck, and I hope you get billed for the cost of my replacement print.

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Thomas King
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Just out of interest, but why do you have to cut out the soundtrack damage? Surely it'll just drop into SR for the bad bit and then flip back into digital? I know that the change is audible, but must be less noticable than an action jump?

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John Pytlak
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quote: Brad Miller
thanks to whomever built it up who felt the need to put Sharpie tick marks on the framelines during the darker reel changes...right through the SDDS and Dolby Digital soundtracks!!! Why can't you put tiny dots on the non-soundtrack edge in between the sprocket holes? And why did you feel the need to mark up a FOOT like this? Thanks to you, those reel changes now have a noticeable jump in action because I had to cut it out due to the soundtrack damage.

In many cases, marks from a solvent-based marker like a Sharpie can be removed with FilmGuard or another solvent-based cleaner. Certainly marks on the base side of polyester film will come off completely, and emulsion-side marks will at least be lightened.

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Brad Miller
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I couldn't get these marks off, and wasn't about to knowingly create an audio drop to analog. Besides, the print is trashed anyway, there are only thousands of other copies and ETS will not save a known rejected print for rep use.

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Jason Gazaille
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Mike,
I'm gonna order it this week. But you'll have to travel a good bit to my theatre. I work in Vista.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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The distributor that is circulating "White Christmas" print #1000.

This print has several reels printed so dark they look like the old Daylight for Night trick. Customers came out and said we needed a new lamp because the picture was so dark.

The very last, small reel, was almost back to half light on the screen. The first reels were a little muddy. We had a new print of this title last year and it looked beautiful. This one needs to hit the bin.

I sure hope that no one else here has to screen that print.

KEN

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Mike Heenan
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We ran White Christmas last year but I neglected to get the print number. The image was fine but the sound was really really low, we had to crank it nearly full blast to get anything out of it. Did they restrike it again, is yours a new print?

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Mike Olpin
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Ah, the Vista theatre. Believe it or not, I've been in your booth. I was lucky enough to tour the theatre just prior to its opening.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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Mike Heenan,

We ran the new print last year and noticed that the sound was somewhat lacking in highs. Though the picture was very good, the sound was not as clear as we are used to. We played this film MONO.

I am sure that we have become accustomed to the multi-track sound of today's films so the MONO world is a bit dull by comparison. I can't say that the level was lower than average, only that last year it was muffled.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Brad Miller
But that's not all, thanks to whomever built it up who felt the need to put Sharpie tick marks on the framelines during the darker reel changes
IP alcohol does a good job removing "Sharpie" tick marks as well. - Monte

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Aaron Sisemore
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quote: Ever Gonzalez
Do they actually make cue tape that look like they were hole punched from a sheet of aluminum?
Yes, Kelmar has a device that you load the film into as one would for a Clint Phare cue marker and then you position the cutter/metallic tape carrier thingy where you intend for the cue to be applied, press down, and...bam! a neatly placed (if done properly) piece of adhesive backed metal right on the film!

In my travels I haven't had problems with these cues being difficult to remove. The Neumade/Xetron 1/2" x 3/8" 'glitter' cues on the other hand.... [Mad]

-Aaron

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David Yauch
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Since I work near or with the following I will not mention any names.

To whomever was supposed to sweep up the booth last sunday but "forgot" causing the head of our engineering department to freak out when he came in....you suck!!!

To everyone who nagged at how long it took me to build an OC ocean's twelve last week, you suck too! Which print was the only one w/out operator caused problems that needed correcting?

And finally, to whatever dumbass designed the theatres so that the exit lighting shines all over about half of our screens, you REALLY SUCK!!!!

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