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Paul Mayer
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Originally it was BR that was supposed to have problems with surface scratching, enough so that it was going to be a caddy-disc format until they came up with the hardened coating that is now a standard on BR discs. HD DVD was supposed to be similar to CDs and DVDs as far as scratching issues were concerned.

But I'm guessing with the much tinier laser spot sizes these hi-def formats use, scratches that don't bother the older disc formats can render HD DVD unplayable. I've read anecdotal on-line accounts that even the light scratches from wiping dust off the surface seem to cause problems. Guess there'll be no such thing as rental HD DVDs in the real world. Glad to see that Mark for one has not had any issues in this area. I'm pretty anal about disc care so I don't think I'll have any issues, but reports of such HD DVD sensitivity are disconcerting.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I haven't had any scratching problems with any of my 30 or so HD-DVD's as of yet
That's because you handle them with care. But whatever format I end up getting, I'd like to be able to rent the occasional movie and not worry about easily damaged discs.

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Mike Heenan
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quote: Bobby
Warner Bros. has been having problems with their "Total HD" format (which sandwiches HD-DVD and Blu-Ray layers back to back). According to The Digital Bits website, Warner Bros. is backing off the Total HD format and will continue to release certain titles in both Blu Ray and HD-DVD. Subsidiary New Line will also continue to do the same for now.
TDB had an update from Warners and they said they will continue those Total HD discs after all.

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Brad Miller
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Even though home video absolutely sucks ass, just for kicks the other day I was in a Circuit Shitty and decided to give the two formats a close test. HAH! What a joke. They had Blu-Ray hooked into a DLP set at the front end of the store and HD-DVD hooked into an LCD set (much smaller too) at the back of the store. So much for a fair comparison!

Why don't these places hook BOTH formats up to the SAME monitor (whatever kind they choose) and play the SAME content simultaneously and let the customers flip between the inputs???

Regardless, I wasn't too impressed with either, although Blu-Ray looked a little bit better (but that could've been the monitor). What is a definite loser is HD satellite sources. OMFG they were AWFUL!!!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Joe Redifer
That's because you handle them with care.
While thats true of my own disks I di get rentals at a local video store and those disks do have scratches on them sometimes... no problems playing back yet.

quote: Brad Miller
Why don't these places hook BOTH formats up to the SAME monitor
Thats called Smart Marketing! Something that Circuit Shitty is very good at. They want you to buy them and go home and make the comparison on your own. On the flip side you do have the right to return both before 30 days is up... for any reason at all. Then they loose alot of money and have to either re-stock them or sell them as B-Stock.... Ha, I wouldn't hesitate to do this to them myself.

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Mike Heenan
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quote: Mark
Thats called Smart Marketing! Something that Circuit Shitty is very good at
I guess you don't remember the Divx fiasco? Or wait, because of your cutesy misspelling, your comment might be sarcastic.

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Blaine Young
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The scratch resistence of discs has varied going all the way back to 1977 when the first LaserDiscs were produced. Various plastic structures were more susceptable to scratching than others. In the end, Kuraray plastics were the clearest in terms of quality and playback, but they were also very easily scratched.

If you handle things with care, they will last a very long time. Just don't give anything to my daughter who manages to ruin every CD/DVD/LD/HDDVD/BD disc she touches.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Mike Heenan
I guess you don't remember the Divx fiasco?
I do remember it and I happened to be working less than 200 feet from A Circuit Shitty store in SLC when all that was going on. I avoided that like the plague... funny how the DIVIX codec is still being used though...

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Blaine Young
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The Pay-Per-Play DIVX (Digital Video Express) and the DIVX codec are completely different entities.

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Joe Redifer
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I like going into Circuit City because you know that you'll never have to fight any crowds. Finding an employee can be tremendously difficult, though. I also like how they recently shafted their long time employees by making them take a pay cut. I want to go to the Circuit City Business School.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Blaine Young
If you handle things with care, they will last a very long time.
Not necessarily! I've got a few CDs that I purchased in the mid and late 1980s that have suffered some sort of rot and will no longer play. (Not a scratch or even a fingerprint on them either!) Fortunately I was able to extract the data off of them by putting them in a few different computers. One computer was able to read so much of the disc, another computer was able to pull another track of two off, etc. Then I re-assembled and burned the compilation.

If this is going to be a pattern, we are all going to have to start re-burning our CD and DVD collections every 15 years or so, and then every 5 years re-burn the burns. [Frown]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Brad Miller
I've got a few CDs that I purchased in the mid and late 1980s that have suffered some sort of rot and will no longer play.
That may have to do with the extreme humidity you live in down there or perhaps they were expposed to excessive heat at some time in their lives. Here where its alwayws bone dry I have yet to experience any CD or DVD rot. I still have the two CD's that came with my original Hitachi DA-1000 way back in late 1982 and they play fine... sound awful though.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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And now another slap in the face for Blew Ray.... This seems to be turning into a contest of who can think up the next stupid idea to market...

Link To Article

HD DVD to launch online shopping feature

Looking for an edge against Blu-ray for next-generation format supremacy

NEW YORK - Just watched "Evan Almighty"? Did its environmental message make you want to buy ecologically sound toilet paper?

Well, now you can get instant gratification — if you watched the movie on an HD DVD player and are willing to give the remote a workout.

The HD DVD of "Evan Almighty" will be the first disc to include an online shopping feature, Universal Studios announced Wednesday.

It's a new front in the struggle between HD DVD and Blu-ray to become the high-definition successor to the DVD. The disc formats offer nearly indistinguishable image quality, so the two camps are battling for holiday shoppers by other means, like cutting prices and piling on features.

The HD DVD camp, which apart from General Electric Co.'s Universal includes Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures, Toshiba Corp. and Microsoft Corp., has been touting the online capabilities of Toshiba's players, which all have jacks for broadband Internet connections. By contrast, not all Blu-ray players have Internet connections.

(MSNBC.com is a Microsoft - NBC Universal joint venture.)

But the HD DVD camp has been slow to take advantage of the Internet. Discs with Internet features, like downloadable trailers and subtitles, only started appearing this summer.

"Evan Almighty," to be released Oct. 9, will contain a simple Web browser that connects to Universal's online store, which will be offering products vaguely related to the movie. Previews of the site featured toilet paper made of recycled materials — 12 rolls for $14 — and a rain barrel for $135 (the movie is a retelling of the story of Noah's Ark). The products offered may change by the time the disc goes on sale.

Remote control
It's uncertain whether consumers will appreciate the shopping opportunity, especially since the transaction has to be completed using the remote. Judging by a demonstration of the technology, entering credit-card information and a home address using the remote and an onscreen keyboard is a slow process. It can be shortened by creating an account in advance on a home computer, then logging into it through the player.

The online shopping feature may not be immediately appealing to consumers, but they are not the only battleground in the HD DVD versus Blu-ray fight. It's also important for each format to woo the studios.

The HD DVD camp scored a major victory in August, when it lured Paramount into its fold. The studio had previously issued movies in both formats. With a few exceptions, HD DVD is now its only high-definition format.

Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. is now the only major studio to release discs in both formats. The Walt Disney Co., News Corp.'s 20th Century Fox and Sony Pictures release only Blu-ray discs. Sony Corp. is the main maker of Blu-ray players. Its PlayStation 3 game console plays Blu-ray discs, providing a large base of players.

The shopping feature on "Evan Almighty" is not quite what was originally envisioned for HD DVD discs. The original plan was to have little tags pop up while the movie was playing, offering the opportunity to, for instance, add to the shopping cart the sunglasses that an actor was wearing, said Kevin Collins, Microsoft's "director of HD DVD evangelism."

But that looked too much like an endorsement by the actor, something that wasn't included in their contracts, Collins said.

"Our next challenge is to take this to the creative people," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. "If they get agreements from the actors at the planning stage, it could be a different thing."

"Evan Almighty" will be a combination disc, with the HD DVD on one side and a DVD on the other. It will list for $40.

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Mike Heenan
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Format wars aside, Wow, that sounds like a pretty lame feature. I'll bet that's one extra no one will use. You'd have to use one long cord to connect to your modem which is probably in the other room.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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As to being prone to scratches, I received the HD-DVD of Dreamgirls from Netflix, and it was the most scratched disc I have ever seen. In fact, if this had been a standard def DVD, I doubt it would have played, but the HD-DVD played flawlessly last night. I have to assume that this HD-DVD having problems with scratching is more propaganda from the Death-Ray camp.

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