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Frank Dubrois
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
No firmware upgrade on the A-3 it does 1080P out of the box.
Are you sure? The A30 does 1080p, but the less expensive A3 only does 1080i.

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Bobby Henderson
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I've read from sources, such as The Digital Bits, the $99 (or $199) A3 model is indeed limited to only 1080i output.

Most other HD-disc players miss the mark on 1080p in some fashion or another as well. There are three output modes for 1080p: 1080p/24fps, 1080p/30fps and 1080p/60fps. I can't recall seeing any Blu-Ray or HD-DVD players from anyone that supported all three 1080p modes. One or more of the three modes is usually left out of the capabilities.

[ 11-09-2007, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]

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Frank Dubrois
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Samsung is coming out with a player that reads HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. The BD-UP5000 will be ready by December and is suppose to be completely loaded up and capable of doing everything. Rumor was, the price would be sub $800. I found a retail price of $1049 on it, so hopefully the big box stores will discount that to sub $800. If so, I think I'm in.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I've read from sources, such as The Digital Bits, the $99 (or $199) A3 model is indeed limited to only 1080i output.

I would check the Toshiba web site before I would believe that. The whole purpose of the A-3 was to do 1080P. Got my 5 free HD-DVD's today!

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Joe Redifer
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I wish there were more than 6 desirable movies (at best) on the HD DVD format.

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Bobby Henderson
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Actually, the thing that has to be clarified is this:

The $99 player being sold is the Toshiba HD-A2 player. Not the HD-A3. The HD-A2 model is not capable of outputting full 1080p. It is limited to 1080i.

According to Toshiba's product page:linky linky
Out of the box, the HD-A3 is limited to 720p or 1080i output. No 1080p. It can be had for $199.

Various web searches and scanning through Toshiba's own details about the version 1.1 firmware update mention nothing specifically regarding 1080p output capability:
Firmware Update Info Link

quote:
Firmware Update Version: 1.1

Applicable Models: HD-A30, HD-A3, HD-D3, and HD-A35.

Overview: As part of our commitment to provide world-class service to our customers, Toshiba is supplying this firmware update for use by purchasers of Toshiba HD DVD Player models HD-A30, HD-A3, HD-D3, and HD-A35. This firmware update improves network connectivity for supporting the download of web-enabled network content associated with certain HD DVD discs, improves certain video and audio processing capabilities, and also addresses certain disc playback and HDMI/DVI related issues identified by Toshiba.

Important Note: Certain HD DVD discs may contain or have the capability of downloading studio-provided, web-enabled network content. To minimize any potential compatibility and/or connectivity issues, before viewing such content, it is recommended that you perform the firmware update process to ensure that your HD DVD player is using the latest firmware version.

How to obtain and install the firmware update:

1. If you have broadband internet service, you may obtain the firmware update over the internet using the Ethernet port on the back of your HD DVD Player. Instructions for configuring the Ethernet port and downloading the firmware update can be found in the owner's manual and Update Procedure sheet for your HD DVD Player. Here is an overview of the process:

* BEFORE BEGINNING THE FIRMWARE UPDATE PROCESS, BE SURE TO REMOVE ANY DISCS FROM YOUR HD DVD PLAYER.
* Please configure the Ethernet port. You may need to turn on DHCP and DNS.
* After you have configured the Ethernet port, follow the directions in the owner’s manual to check for a firmware update.
* If a firmware update is available for your player, it will take about 20 minutes to download and install. Once the firmware update download process has finished, the player's power will automatically switch off. You must wait until this process has finished.
* " DO NOT UNPLUG, TURN OFF, OR USE ANY OTHER FEATURE OF YOUR PLAYER DURING THE FIRMWARE UPDATE PROCESS. Doing so will cause the writing of the firmware update to the player to be halted and the player may no longer operate properly. If the player stops working, please contact Toshiba Customer Solutions at (800) 319-6684.
* If no firmware update is available, the player will quickly exit the firmware update process.
* Please refer to the owner's manual for additional details.

2. If you have a PC with a CD-RW drive that is connected to the internet, you may be able to download an ISO image file of the firmware update to your PC and copy it to a blank CD-R or CD-RW disc. For more information, and to download an ISO image file of the firmware update click here.

3. If you are unable, or prefer not, to obtain the firmware update by one of the methods described above, you may contact Toshiba Customer Solutions at (800) 319-6684 and request that a firmware update disc be sent to you by mail. You can update the firmware using the firmware update disc by following the instructions provided with the disc.

Please note that if you sent Toshiba the Firmware Update Request card included with your player, you will receive an update disc by mail from Toshiba as soon as it becomes available.

Frequently Asked Questions:

Q1. What does this update do?

A1. This firmware update improves network connectivity for supporting the download of web- enabled network content associated with certain HD DVD discs, improves certain video and audio processing capabilities, and also addresses certain disc playback and HDMI/DVI related issues identified by Toshiba.

Q2. Why do I need to turn on DHCP and DNS?

A2.Turning on DHCP causes the player to automatically detect its IP address and other network information from your internet service provider's DHCP server. Turning on DNS causes the player to automatically detect the DNS server address associated with your internet service provider.

Q3. I purchased an HD DVD disc that contains/has the capability of downloading web- enabled network content. What do I need to do to view this content?

A3. First, be sure that you have properly configured the player's Ethernet port. If your Ethernet port is properly configured, perform the firmware update process to update the player's firmware to the latest firmware version. Once you have updated the player with the latest firmware, follow the directions that came with the HD DVD disc or that appear in the menu of the HD DVD disc. Should you experience problems viewing such content, please contact Toshiba Customer Solutions at (800) 319-6684.

Q4. The HDMI output does not work or works intermittently with the HDMI or DVI input on my HDTV or monitor. Does the new firmware address that issue?

A4. The firmware update addresses and improves HDMI and DVI connectivity issues. If you still experience such issues, try disconnecting and reconnecting the HDMI cable. Make sure your display input is set to HDMI (or DVI). If your display has more than one HDMI/DVI input, make sure that all connected HDMI/DVI source devices are powered on (even if not in use). If none of these solve the issue, please turn off the TV and the HD DVD player. Check all connections. Disconnect and reconnect the HDMI cable. Turn on the TV first and then turn on the HD DVD player. Should you continue to experience issues, please contact Toshiba Customer Solutions at (800) 319-6684.

Q5. During HD DVD playback I sometimes experience pixelization, block noise or audio dropouts. Sometimes playback freezes or stops. Sometimes, playback is not smooth. Does the new firmware address these issues?

A5. This firmware update addresses various playability issues. You should also check to be sure that the disc is clean and, if the disc will not operate at all, that you are inserting the disc with the right side up. In the event that playback freezes or stops, press and hold the ON/STANDBY button on the front of the player for approximately ten seconds. This will cause the player to turn off. After the player turns off, turn the player back on by pressing the ON/STANDBY button, and then press the OPEN/CLOSE button to remove the disc. Should you continue to experience issues, please contact Toshiba Customer Solutions at (800) 319- 6684.

Q6. Do I need to install prior firmware updates before installing the current firmware update?

A6. No. The current firmware update includes all of the prior firmware updates.


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Ha, my firmware is at Ver 2.5 not i.2. I dfound this blurb on the Tosh. site that explains it very clearly........ So Bobby, have you spent your 99.00 to find out what it does?

HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or www.toshibahddvd.com for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts. HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.
HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.
HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.
HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.
HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts. HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts. HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts. HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Viewing high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. Up-conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Firmware update may be required for some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require additional bandwidth. Some recordable media may not be supported. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS support for up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD support for DTS core only). MP3/WMA audio files not supported. Some current DVDs and CDs may not be compatible. Some Combo Discs and Twin Format Discs may not be compatible. HDMI audio support for PCM only. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies, certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of this site or for information on possible work-around solutions or the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed availability. 1080p capable display required for 1080p output resolution. In some cases, the universal remote control may not operate additional devices or certain features of such devices, in which case, it is suggested that you use the original remote control for the applicable device. While Toshiba has made every effort at the time of publication to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are all subject to change without notice. *Resolution comparison based on 480i vs. 1080i pixel counts.

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Frank Dubrois
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Anyone else not bother to read all that?

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Don't bother... I posted that just for Bobby to read.. kinda follows his posts more or less.

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The BD-P1400 seems to be a great player. I might just go for that one. its around $425 at circuit city with 8 free movies. Not a bad deal. The write up's seem very positive. After considering both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, it seems that HD-DVD has the biggest chance at failure. I know I should wait until after thanksgiving to buy, but I'm thinking I'll take the plunge now.

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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Ha, my firmware is at Ver 2.5 not i.2. I dfound this blurb on the Tosh. site that explains it very clearly........ So Bobby, have you spent your 99.00 to find out what it does?
Nope. I'm not wasting my money (or shelf space and receiver inputs) on a single format HD-disc player -and then be stuck having to buy 2 separate players just to play HD-quality movies.

Dual format hybrid players will be all you can buy in the future. The players which support only one format will be like those DVD players and A-V receivers that supported only Dolby Digital and not DTS. Try buying anything that doesn't fully support both of those surround formats today. That even carried over into the HD-thing with both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD making both Dolby and DTS' audio formats standard features in their specs. Some of the support for Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD Master has been hit and miss, but that has more to do with the freaking idiotic bullcrap that has been happening with the HDMI standard. It took the standard committees until version 1.3 of the spec to start doing anything right -making things a minefield of sorts for customers to find electronics products that passed next-gen audio and 1080p through HDMI connections correctly.

The studios aren't budging on their support of either format. Electronics companies will have to support both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray (and do so properly) in one single player to get customers off the fence.

More than 300 movies have been released in HD-DVD. More than 300 have been released in Blu-Ray. It's a little late for anyone to expect either format to "die." Too much software and hardware for both formats has already been sold for either format to be abandoned without causing a very angry consumer backlash.

Samsung's new UP-5000 player is a big improvement over previous hybrid players like LG's Super-Blu player. As these players get better and better over the next few months, then I'll consider opening my wallet to buy one.

But I absolutely will not buy a single format player. Single format players suck ass.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
But I absolutely will not buy a single format player. Single format players suck ass.

You state that but you don't even own one so how can you have a basis for that statement? In fact there can be many advantages to owning seperate players such as the picture and audio will be optimum for each format. Sorry, I too thought I'd be waiting for dual format players but in the past they have stunk at least as far as audio playback is concerned. There are many multiformat players that have been out... a friend has tried several and we have comparesd them to my Pioneer Elite that has a dedicated line up of A to D decoders for each format CD/DVD-A/SACD/DVD and the audio quality on the ones he tried were awful because they used jst a common DSP to handle all audio decoding. None of the schemes used with the single DSP could compare to having seperate dedicated D to A decoders for each format like say the Pioneer Elite DVD player does that I own. So even with the Dual format HD player you will be taking a big gamble as far as audio goes. Picture differences will remains to be seen.

BTW: I see you're a power poster on OKC TALK .... Interesting.... I like the "Analog" and "Organic Grace" refrence to film there....

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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
You state that but you don't even own one so how can you have a basis for that statement? In fact there can be many advantages to owning seperate players such as the picture and audio will be optimum for each format.
There's a big disadvantage in having two separate players. They're using up two banks worth of a limited number of inputs on a home theater receiver. So many other devices need to be plugged into a receiver. Consolidation of devices is important.

It's also perfectly feasible for electronics companies to make hybrid HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players -even if that means incorporating two laser pickups in the device. That's nothing new. My Pioneer DVD player has two separate laser pickups for CD and DVD content.

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Being that the dual players are roughly double the cost of a single player, I personally would rather purchase a single format player of HD-DVD and a single format player of BluRay. That way if the thing died I wouldn't have all my eggs in one basket. Besides any decent receiver/tv/whatever has tons of inputs on it anyway.

That argument assumes of course that I am foolish enough to buy into the lousy quality of HD-DVD in the first place. Just because I can get a player for $99 or $199 or whatever doesn't make it good. Haven't you people learned the lesson of cost vs. quality from your experience in the projection booth yet?

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Brad,
You can hate HD-DVD and Blew Ray all you want to. Of course its not as good as film nor meant to rplace it but its alot more comvenient! Its also represents a huge leap in performannce over NTSC DVD players for not much if any more money than a decent regular DVD player. As a convenience the players also upscale your regular DVD's and they do look a tad better albeit the same resolution and no fiddling with the TV's format button either. Audio performance is also pretty darn good.

In my experience its hard to beat and why on earth anyone would go out and buy a reguilar DVD player instead of one of these is beyond me.

Also, More money spent in the booth is no guarantee that you get something better. Your melting Kinoton couplers are a good example there. There IS really no excuse for that. Some very expensive automation is another good example, etc. The only way you can find out whats good out there among any industry is to try it all and decide from experience or ask other that do have experience with what you're interested in buying.

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