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Jim Cassedy
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: San Francisco, CA
Registered: Dec 2006

posted 10-20-2008 05:06 PM

I laughed my buttoff when I saw the listing
for this Simplex PORTABLE projector.
The little red wagon is what did it for me- -

Click Here 2C Item On E-Bay

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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

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From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 10-20-2008 08:59 PM

Damn, I wanted the wagon....but the guy says it's not included with the projector..what a ripoff... [Smile]

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

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From: Hollywood, CA USA
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posted 10-20-2008 09:05 PM

I bet the wagon is worth more than that crappy projector! [Wink]

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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

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From: Moreland Idaho
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posted 10-20-2008 09:10 PM

I bet you're right!! [Smile]

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Damien Taylor
Master Film Handler

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From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Apr 2007

posted 11-13-2008 02:05 AM

Four De Forest Phonofilms

Nitrate, but meh.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 11-13-2008 09:22 AM

I looked at one of the enlarged photos...the Nitrate Film words were in WHITE with a black Eastman Kodak text behind it. These are dupes and likely on safety film.

Steve

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Todd McCracken
Master Film Handler

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From: Northridge, CA, USA
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posted 11-13-2008 12:02 PM

Per the Auction
"The film stock is original 1920s Kodak Cellulose Nitrate in an excellent state of preservation with no visible signs of deterioration. "

I would be disapointed if I got these and found out they were dupes. Luckly my old film stock buying spree seems to be over [Razz]

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Damien Taylor
Master Film Handler

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From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Apr 2007

posted 11-13-2008 03:16 PM

quote: Steve Guttag
Nitrate Film words were in WHITE with a black Eastman Kodak text behind it

Yeah I thought that was odd, I'm not sure what the deal is, everything is the right way around on the other side. The supersize picture also shows the archive standard, rusting film can.

I would want them on poly or nothing, I'm too lazy to care for even acetate. It's far too needy for me

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Phillip Grace
Expert Film Handler

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From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia.
Registered: Mar 2004

posted 11-14-2008 01:33 AM

The "Nitrate" in white is most likely to be print-through from the nitrate negative. That edge of the film has been exposed. The oposite edge is clear (unexposed) and has the edge print in black. Pity that he hasn't shown a section of film with the soundtrack visible.
Local knowlege has it that this print has already been copied to 16mm and the copy is in the national collection. The full height of the frame may or may not have been preserved.

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Marc Hansen
Film Handler

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From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 11-14-2008 11:16 AM

quote: Phillip Grace
Pity that he hasn't shown a section of film with the soundtrack visible.

There are new pics with the soundtrack visible

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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 11-14-2008 01:56 PM

What's interesting with all of this hoopla with this eBay page and images is that the film doesn't contain any of the horizontal lines that runs across from sprocket to edge on one side of the film that was printed on Nitrate stock.

Thus, have to go along with was Steve said about being a dupe on Safety Stock.

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Phillip Grace
Expert Film Handler

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From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia.
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posted 11-14-2008 11:04 PM

Great pictures. Variable density soundtrack on this version.

I've seen lots of Nitrate that looks just like this. However, one of the shots shows what appears to be two sets of edge numbers printed through, and slightly offset to one another. Latent image footage numbers were intoduced as an aid to editing. Does anyone know when this was done? There might be a clue to the origins of the pre-print material.

Someone on ebay has asked if the guy will burn a bit of it to see if it is flammable, and he is actually considering doing that. omigosh!

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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

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From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 11-15-2008 02:46 PM

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Someone on ebay has asked if the guy will burn a bit of it to see if it is flammable, and he is actually considering doing that. omigosh!

I sent an email to that seller warning him not to try it.

And trivia note for you guys to test for yourself: Take a few frames of modern mylar and light it with an open flame. It'll flare up like flash paper!! It will however, simply melt when heated with a heat gun or soldering iron. Nitrate will flare up with a soldering iron or cigarette. I found this out when trying to test a suspected nitrate clip. [Smile]

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Stephen Furley
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posted 11-15-2008 04:01 PM

One of the colour pictures of the tinted stock seems to show both negative and positive 'Nitrate' marking. Tinted base is not common on safety; it's possible to dye the emulsion, but the results tend to not look as consistant as this, from the samples that I've seen. The D-max is higher than on most dups. It looks more like an original print to me, but it's difficult to be sure just from the pictures. Has anybody got the Kodak date codes; what does a square followed by a circle translate to? The stock seems to kave KS perfs; when were these introduced?

quote: Phillip Grace
Local knowlege has it that this print has already been copied to 16mm and the copy is in the national collection. The full height of the frame may or may not have been preserved.

The seller does say 'The film has had new academy leader and trailer added by the National Film and Sound Archive in Canberra when I lent it to them for copying in 1976.' This ties up with what you say about the copy being in the national collection, but it sems unlikely that such a copy would have been made on 16mm. Any national archive that would preserve a film by reducing it to 16mm, and possibly cropping it to the Academy frame area sounds like a very bad national archive! this seems highly unlikely.

If it's a dup then it looks like a very good one, but if it's an original print then it seems to be in unusually good condition.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
What's interesting with all of this hoopla with this eBay page and images is that the film doesn't contain any of the horizontal lines that runs across from sprocket to edge on one side of the film that was printed on Nitrate stock.

I've seen plenty of nitrate film that didn't have those marks. I can never remember which way round they are on nitrate and safety stock. When were these marks introduced; I have a feeling it was much later than the '20s, but I could be wrong.

quote: Phillip Grace
Variable density soundtrack on this version.

Which would be correct for De Forest Phonofilm, but the type of soundtrack wouldn't change on a dup, unless the track was re-recorded. 1925 certainly isn't the 'earliest sound on film' either, though it is obviously 'early'.

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Phillip Grace
Expert Film Handler

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From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia.
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posted 11-15-2008 09:25 PM

I checked the online catalogue for the NFSA, and found that they do list some 35mm preservation material of some of the items. They also have 16mm prints. In 1976 there was no National Film and Sound Archive as such. The preservation of film and sound recordings was carried out by a branch of the National Library of Australia, with very limited staffing and resources. At that time it was common practice to make 16mm "preservation" material at a couple of commercial labs, to arbitrary standards. Quite a lot of this material was not copied correctly. Image cropping, particluarly of the soundtrack area of full frame prints, was a common fault. To compound the problem, the nitrate originals were usually destroyed following the "preservation" printing.

Variable Density sound recording. I had looked at the illustration of the film on the DeForest website, and seeing the line along the soundtrack, had mistaken it for a multiple area type recording. Assuming that DeForest used a glow-lamp in the camera then varible density would be the original type.

I'll see if I can find my Kodak stock date codes chart at home.

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