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Author Topic: Sneak Preview Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 04-10-2003 01:31 AM                     From experience I can tell you that stained glass is always shipped in wooden crates. Although those metal cases would be cool, considering the better brands of glass run about $30 to $50 a square foot. Danny  |  IP: Logged William Leland III Master Film Handler Posts: 336 From: Charleston, SC, Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-10-2003 10:26 AM                        Those first few pics are hard to see. I brightened uped my moniter and still couldn't see anything. Adam did you get special permission from IMAX corp. to show those pics of the booth? I thought IMAX had some sort of "no pics" allowed rule. I would love to show our booth off as well.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-10-2003 01:54 PM                     You cannot take and distribute pictures of the IMAX projector mechanism itself. We have several IMAX booth picture tours on the site and you will notice none of them include a close up shot of the rolling loop and it's components to help protect their patent.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-10-2003 02:00 PM                        Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Midland DI needs to upgrade their lenses and lamphouses? I have a hard time believing that their scope picture comes anywhere near SMPTE specs for image brightness. Surely they can get a pair of 4kw lamphouses reasonably cheaply on the used market, given the large number of theatres that have closed in the last few years. Oh, and why is the tension so high in that soundhead?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-10-2003 02:06 PM                        Well if the thief was smart he'd just know that "Stained Glass" = IMAX print and steal it anyway. Disney = Dumbasses. What is Ultimate X? Who thought that title up? I need to be familiar with Average and Mediocre Xs first. Why would I want to watch anything about the letter X? Stupid.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-11-2003 02:18 AM                  Brad said: "You cannot take and distribute pictures of the IMAX projector mechanism itself." Are you serious? I have many pics of IMAX booths, projectors, and details of the mechanisms. The rolling-loop projector patents are public knowledge and are available on the patent websites. IMAX does have proprietary theatre specifications, sound, and show-control systems that there are many pics of, but I understand no details of the software code! HAhahahaha I am very familiar with IMAX patents and have copies of them….and how their system works. I hate to say how much time I spent in court and in making depositions regarding lawsuits filed against Ummmm...me and the "competition" by IMAX. All parties had to bare their "privates" in order to see if there was a basis for the suits. In the end, the courts threw out ALL the lawsuits as being "frivolous and without merit." When I spec'd and designed "our" systems, I made sure it did not infringe on ANY IMAX proprietary technology. I am dismayed at, and don't understand, your statement about posting the mechanism pics are not allowed… I REALLY do not think someone would be able to manufacture a knock-off projector from pictures. Trust me, there is WAY much more to deal with in terms of "special" know-how and "tricks" to make it all work! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-11-2003 03:22 AM                        What if, by extreme coincidence, someone designed an IMAX-like projector without having ever been in an IMAX booth before nor having ever seen the projector and came up with nearly the exact same design for his own machine? With IMAX not allowing pics, how could he have ever known that a similar mechanism was already patented? Also, if the method and machinery are patented, why does IMAX want to hide pictures of the machines? If anyone copies it then surely they will face a prompt losing battle in court. So they are basically trying to protect what is already protected. IMAX is weird.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 04-11-2003 03:24 AM                     You have to put on your night vision goggles to see the drive-in photos. You do have night vision goggles, right? Ultimate X was that it-grows-on-you X Games movie. Imax files patents for all kinds of crap. I think they don't want you taking photos of the projector front-end because they don't want you to figure out which design they finally decided would work in reality. They're Canadians. What do you expect?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-11-2003 03:58 AM                     I don't know the specifics, Phil. I just know IMAX isn't comfortable with pictures of the rolling loop being taken/published. It's an easy work-around when making picture pages for the warehouse. When pictures of the front of the projector has been submitted, I delete them. It keeps everyone happy.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-11-2003 04:13 AM                  Have they threatened to break your legs, cut off your dick, or some other harassment? They are soooo full of their own self-importance and corporate (FART) air for something that IS NOT as unique as they would like to portray. It just seems a little weird to me… Oh well, I respect your philosophy and decision... >>>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-11-2003 04:20 AM                     No, there has been no harassment at all from IMAX. If a company doesn't want something particular shown and they are polite about it, I have no problem complying with their request fully. I know the front of the projectors are something IMAX doesn't want shown, so when I go into an IMAX booth, I don't even take the camera over there and like I said above, I delete any submissions that I feel "reveal" too much. (It's those people who automatically assume that they must get an army of attorneys to write a book of threats and be complete A-holes that deserve a little thrown back at them! ) Actually in the 4+ years the Picture Warehouse has been online, there have only been three requests to have a picture removed. One was understandable, but the other two were for really weird reasons that didn't make much sense, but hey, no problem...and away it went.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 04-11-2003 07:52 AM                        Several SMPTE papers on the basic "rolling loop" concept, and Bill Shaw's work on developing it into the IMAX projector: "The Rolling Loop -- A New Concept of Film Transport" by P. R. W. Jones, January 1968 SMPTE Journal, pages 21-23 "Film Dynamics of a Rolling-Loop Film-Transport System" by William C. Shaw, September 1970 SMPTE Journal, pages 778-782 "New Large-Screen and Multi-Image Motion-Picture System" by William C. Shaw, September 1970 SMPTE Journal, pages 782-787 Bill Shaw decided on the 15-perf pull-across after discussions with Kodak's Rollie Zavada, who noted that optimum steadiness would be achieved by using an integral multiple of the 5-perforation repeat used for perforating 65mm and 70mm film (principle of "cancellation"). As Phil Hill noted, while the concept is simple, the "Devil is in the Details" and these systems are a marvel of superb engineering.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-11-2003 10:59 AM                        Surely Phil you've met some engineers that couldn't understand something without you drawing them a picture. Not providing a potential competitor with pictures can't hurt. Of course writing your patents so that they are more 'concept based' is the best way to go if you're concerned someone might rip off your design. It's not uncommon in the plastics industry to disallow pictures of machines and specialized moulds. In fact, many of my father's designs are under a no-picture rule. Maybe it is a Canadian thing, eh?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 04-11-2003 11:25 AM                        I have hosted tours of film manufacturing areas for VIP customers. Of course, no cameras allowed! Or lights, for that matter.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-11-2003 11:34 AM                        All that film and no pictures!  |  IP: Logged

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