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Mark Lensenmayer
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posted 01-08-2011 07:24 PM

Best sound mix: MAN BELONGS TO THE EARTH - IMAX - 1974

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Jack Theakston
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posted 01-08-2011 07:51 PM

Not the greatest mix ever, but for a pretty lousy film, THE ADVENTURERS has a pretty incredible 4-track mix, worth hearing.

HELLO DOLLY is simply incredible in 70mm.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 01-08-2011 08:06 PM

quote: Tom Petrov
Aaron. Are you talking about the trailer or the whole film?

The trailer. The film has been easily available in 5.1 since it's release on LaserDisc and DVD. The Blu-ray gets a TrueHD track, and I have yet to compare it to what I felt was the best home mix: the AC3 LaserDisc.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-09-2011 12:03 AM

I watched the actual trailer on real life moviefilm.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 01-09-2011 12:04 AM

Is that the stuff with sprockets? That's so old fashioned. Nothing beats video projectors.

AJG

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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-09-2011 12:30 AM

quote: Aaron Garman
The trailer. The film has been easily available in 5.1 since it's release on LaserDisc and DVD

Dolby Digital on laserdisc is ALWAYS encoded as 5.1 The signal is always 5.1

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Aaron Garman
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posted 01-09-2011 02:28 AM

Not always. For the features, I do believe that is true, but some added content was actually Dolby 2.0. The Star Wars SE box set had the trailers for the SEs on it, in DD but it was only 2 channel. On GoldenEye, the 007 documentary, hosted by a delicious Elizabeth Hurley, was also in DD but 2.0.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-09-2011 02:32 AM

quote: Aaron Garman
Not always. For the features, I do believe that is true, but some added content was actually Dolby 2.0. The Star Wars SE box set had the trailers for the SEs on it, in DD but it was only 2 channel. On GoldenEye, the 007 documentary, hosted by a delicious Elizabeth Hurley, was also in DD but 2.0.

Never ever was the bitstream not 5.1 The source might of been mono or 2.0 or whatever, in that case the channels without sound would not have any audio, but they were always there.

5.1 laserdisc is not the same as Dolby Digital DVD

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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posted 01-09-2011 01:59 PM

Tom, don't be such a dumbass. [Smile]

If the signal encoded is 2.0, guess what the bitstream coming out is? 2.0! They do NOT waste encoding space having unused channels with silence (or no signal) as it STILL requires the bandwidth of 5.1, regardless of what is (or is not) recorded on the other channels.

The whole point of encoding alternate content in 2.0 is to SAVE the data space that would otherwise be required by a 5.1 track.

Back on track:

As Sam mentioned, "The Right Stuff" had an awesome sound mix!! The 70mm was incredible and even the 35mm Dolby optical track was impressive.

"Amadeus" was also great in 70mm, I thought the 35mm mix was weak though.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-09-2011 03:06 PM

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Tom, don't be such a dumbass. [Smile] If the signal encoded is 2.0, guess what the bitstream coming out is?

Do I have to come down there a give you a hair cut? [fu]

We can make this personal if you want?

quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
2.0! They do NOT waste encoding space having unused channels with silence (or no signal) as it STILL requires the bandwidth of 5.1, regardless of what is (or is not) recorded on the other channels.

The whole point of encoding alternate content in 2.0 is to SAVE the data space that would otherwise be required by a 5.1 track.

Dolby Digital on laserdisc was designed completely different than Dolby Digtial on DVD. The bit stream is always 5.1.

There are 3 others channels on a laserdisc that they would use if you were going to go mono or 2.0. There is no reason to made a Dolby Digital lasersisc is you are on using one channel, that is were the digital tracks can be used.

Every Dolby Digital laserdisc ever made is 5.1 and a few are 5.1-EX encoded.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-09-2011 03:15 PM

Dolby Digital can be encoded in a variety of channel layouts regardless of the bit rate running in the 384kbps or 448kbps rates usually seen in 5.1 channel tracks on LD and DVD.

For instance the DVD of Roy Orbison: Black and White Night has a Dolby 2.0 track running at 448kbps (in addition to 448kbps DD 5.1 and 1509kbps DTS 5.1). It's pretty unusual to have a DD encoded mono or stereo track running at a bit rate higher than 192kbps, but it can be done. On Blu-ray there's even more room to push the Dolby Digital rate higher, either maxed at 640kbps for regular Dolby Digital and quite a bit higher for Dolby Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-09-2011 03:28 PM

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Dolby Digital can be encoded in a variety of channel layouts regardless of the bit rate running in the 384kbps or 448kbps rates usually seen in 5.1 channel tracks on LD and DVD.

For instance the DVD of Roy Orbison: Black and White Night has a Dolby 2.0 track running at 448kbps (in addition to 448kbps DD 5.1 and 1509kbps DTS 5.1). It's pretty unusual to have a DD encoded mono or stereo track running at a bit rate higher than 192kbps, but it can be done. On Blu-ray there's even more room to push the Dolby Digital rate higher, either maxed at 640kbps for regular Dolby Digital and quite a bit higher for Dolby Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD.

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Dolby Digital on laserdiscs is ALWAYS a fixed bit rate.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-09-2011 05:40 PM

My point is that channel arrangement could be changed despite the fixed bit rate. Dolby Digital can be done in plain mono at that fixed bit rate.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-09-2011 05:46 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
My point is that channel arrangement could be changed despite the fixed bit rate. Dolby Digital can be done in plain mono at that fixed bit rate.

No, not laserdisc. Laserdisc is always 5.1 for Dolby Digital except for 7 or so 5.1EX discs. The decoder will always be reading 5.1 even if there is nothing recorded in the various channels.

Now if the sound was mono or stereo or Dolby Surround, the single digital tracks or even analog tracks would be used anyways.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 01-09-2011 06:10 PM

I guess that is why my receiver is saying Dolby 2.0 right now as I run the World of 007 documentary.

AJG

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