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Topic: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin Dies
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Cameron Glendinning
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 09-06-2006 10:17 PM
quote: Michael Schaffer
You put that very well. That is exactly what you are doing every day. Every single day you see a lot people die or hear about them dying on TV, from accidents, plane crashes, being swept away by tsunamis and floods, buried by erupting volcanoes, being blown up by suicide bombers, stepping on landmines, being killed in combat or by just happening to be in the way of combat etcetcetc.
Actually I dont feel that that is 100% true, although it is obviously mostly true. Most western media tend not to show raw footage of disasters that happen to white people! Asians, Mexicans ect, are all A/ok but Americans? The networks seem to think its too upsetting to show that sort of footage raw as they did with the asian tasami ect / it tends to be edited tastfully ever since 9/11.
Death is such a natural part of life!
As we can all see this thread has taken on the appeal of a car crash, you know how you just can't not look!! Personally I find the bickering very human.I value the opinions of ALL the people in this tread. I hope we can play nicely in the future.
Now isn't everyone is entitled to their own point of view. No matter how crazy and misguided and poorly infomed all of you are!!!!!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Michael Schaffer
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Boardwalk Hotel?"
Posts: 4143
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 09-07-2006 12:13 AM
quote: Cameron Glendinning
Actually I dont feel that that is 100% true, although it is obviously mostly true. Most western media tend not to show raw footage of disasters that happen to white people! Asians, Mexicans ect, are all A/ok but Americans? The networks seem to think its too upsetting to show that sort of footage raw as they did with the asian tasami ect / it tends to be edited tastfully ever since 9/11.
That may be true - I haven't really paid much attention to that aspect, but you could be right in saying that the footage of such events is selected/edited under such criteria - but then on the other hand, you don't have to see the actual event of the death of somebody or a group of people to learn about it (like very few people actually saw the existing footage of Irwin's death yet still know about it and how it happened).
And in fact, the indirect way we learn about all the many deaths that occur every day certainly plays a big role in everybody's difference to all of them. After all, we don't really know who all these people were, so we don't really care at all.
In the case of celebrity deaths, a lot of people seem to think they knew who these celebrities were, and the way the celebrity thing works, many seem to project some part of their emotional life on these icons so when one of them dies, they feel a strange "grief" for somebody they didn't really know any more than all the many anonymous dead every day.
If these people are so much in "grief" about the remote celebrity's death, how come they don't feel the same thing for all the other people who die every day?
There is a very strong element of an extreme moral hypocrisy at work here. People are just projecting their own emotional needs onto these celebrities. That has nothing to do with actually grieving for the person - who they didn't really have a clue about anyway. It's all about their own little egotist feelings projected on their image of their icon.
If you think about it, it all really doesn't have anything to do with grief or respect for the dead. It's all a selective form of projected grief which has nothing to do with the person allegedly bemourned but all with the emotional needs of the mourner. That's why so many people here react with such a vehemence to comments which point out that the crocodile clown's death was not really a "tragic accident" but something he had really been inviting for a long time.
And if people were really honest, they would realize that they had no clue who Steve Irwin was at all but were simply entertained by his dangerous stunts.
If they really had any kind of sympathy for him, they wouldn't have been glued to the TV watching him take these risks for their entertainment. There is something inherently deeply immoral about that to begin with.
I am sure that last part is a little above some peoples' heads, so let me rephrase that:
People, if you really cared for Irwin, why did you enjoy watching him take these risks in such whacky ways? Would you enjoy watching your friends and family take such risks? No? Why not? So why didn't you mind watching him do it? Because you really didn't care for the man you now pretend to grieve about. Just try to be a little more honest, please.
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Pravin Ratnam
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From: Atlanta, GA,USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 09-07-2006 12:46 AM
THis is why some of us care for Irwin. Like I said before, even though I didnt watch him on a regular basis, I was stricken by how he lived more of a life in his 44 years than most of us will live in our entire lifetimes. Just watch his behind the scenes shows if you ever care to take the time. Everyone who has interacted with him has said that he is the same off tv as he is on tv. As far as saying why we would care to see him endanger his life if we wouldn't do with our family, here is a simple answer. If I got a daredevil cousin and he took precautions(which Irwin did in a lot of cases, as reckless as it may have looked on camera), and that's what makes him happy, I am not going to feel bad for him to lead such a life. Risk is relative. Some of my relatives thought the idea of me going skydiving was nuts. And I started off with a static line which is pretty low risk.
Also comparing his accomplishments with other more serious sounding people who accomplished a lot in life and asking if we would feel the same is not a valid comparison. We normally don't get a chance to get to know those serious scientists or astronauts. Irwin had a knack of communicating his zeal for his hobby and family through the camera in a very authentic manner. He broke through that wall. He made it seem like the interaction was both ways and not passive.
Most importantly, families have watched him and his family go on these adventures and he was instrumental in some family events in many people's homes. He was inspiring people not necessarily to do what he did but pick their own interests and excel at that. Also Irwin's death broke people's expectations that as they and their families aged, they would get to see Irwin and his family grow older and pass the tradition onto a new generation.
At least Greer is not part of this film tech community to let her distasteful opinions of Irwin's death be known.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 09-07-2006 03:46 AM
Germaine Greer (better known as an extremist feminist loon) has just made what appears to be an attempt to renounce her Australian citizenship:
quote: CNN Website
SYDNEY, Australia (CNN) -- Comments by academic Germaine Greer on the death of wildlife TV star Steve Irwin have triggered a storm of anger with the Australian author criticized for being "insensitive" and "elitist".
Greer, best known for her feminist book "The Female Eunuch", said Wednesday Irwin was an "embarrassment" and a "self-deluded animal torturer".
Irwin, who gained international fame for his "Crocodile Hunter" TV series, was killed Monday by a stingray barb while filming a wildlife documentary.
Speaking on Australian TV Channel Nine's "A Current Affair" news program Wednesday, Greer described those who mourned Irwin's passing as "idiots" and said possibly millions of Australians were embarrassed by him.
Greer said Irwin had not treated animals with the respect they deserved.
"He would tell you how dangerous they were and he would proceed to intrude on their space and humiliate (them) really -- treat them with massive insensitivity," she said. "It's no surprise he came to grief."
Greer's views, first aired in Britain's Guardian newspaper on Tuesday, have drawn a sharp response in Australia from politicians and commentators.
Queensland state leader Peter Beattie told Greer to "back off" and labeled her comments "stupid" and "insensitive."
"Germaine Greer is just wrong and I just can't imagine anyone being more insensitive and, frankly, stupid," he said Thursday.
"This argument is just extreme radical rubbish from Germaine Greer and it couldn't come at a more insensitive time.
"Any suggestion that he (Irwin) mistreated animals is just rubbish ... he educated a generation."
Author John Birmingham, writing in The Australian newspaper Thursday, called Greer's comments "a poisonous discharge of bile" which encapsulated the views of a "whole class of Australian sophisticates" who felt uncomfortable with Irwin's global celebrity.
Greer is a frequent critic of personalities like British soccer star David Beckham and social trends like reality television, although she herself appeared briefly in Britain's Celebrity Big Brother series.
In other news, Irwin's father said his son's funeral would be held privately within seven days, The Associated Press reports.
He confirmed that the family had declined a state funeral for the television star.
In a short statement to media at the family's Australia Zoo reptile park, Bob Irwin said his son's funeral would be private at an undisclosed location, and that a public memorial service would be held within two weeks.
"He wants to be remembered as an ordinary bloke," Irwin said earlier.
Bob Irwin told reporters Wednesday his son and he were extremely close.
"Steve and I weren't like father and son, we never were," Irwin said.
"We were good mates. I'll remember Steve as my best mate ever," he said.
Meanwhile, colleagues of Irwin said they wanted video footage destroyed of the star showing him pulling a deadly stingray barb from his chest just before he died on Monday.
The host of Animal Planet's "Crocodile Hunter" was filming scenes for a show intended for children when he was attacked.
Irwin's manager and close friend John Stainton told CNN's Larry King he would not want the tape released. "It should be destroyed," he said Tuesday.
The tape is in police custody, according to Stainton.
Stainton told CNN he believed Irwin was dead by the time he was brought from the water, despite efforts by those on his boat to keep him alive while racing to an island to meet a medical helicopter.
Stingray discussions
Irwin, the Australian naturalist and wildlife crusader who won fame for his TV show "The Crocodile Hunter," had been working on a documentary -- ironically, on the ocean's deadliest animals when the accident occurred.
Bad weather had made it impossible to proceed with a planned taping for the Animal Planet channel, so Irwin chose Monday to shoot "a couple of soft stories for a new TV show we're doing," Stainton told CNN when the news broke.
"He and the underwater cameraman went out to do some pieces on the reef and coral and stuff good for the kids' show and, unfortunately, he came out over the top of a stingray that was buried in the sand and the barb went up and hit him in the chest," Stainton said Monday.
"He was as good on the water as he was on land," Stainton recalled Tuesday. "He was comfortable anywhere there was wildlife. He'd been diving 10, 15 years ... I never thought he'd take a hit from a stingray. He was very used to them."
Only the day before, he, Irwin and a doctor on board had discussed stingrays and the effects of their barbs, Stainton said. Stingrays, however, were not to be included in the "dangerous animals" documentary. (Watch how a stingray strikes -- 2:35 )
Stainton said he had to watch the tape in order to verify what was on it. "It was a hard experience," he said.
Irwin's body was brought from Cairns to his hometown of Beerwah in southeast Queensland on Tuesday. Stainton said he accompanied it on the six-hour flight. A date has not been set for the funeral, he said.
Irwin, who was director of the family's Australia Zoo in Queensland, is survived by his American-born wife, Terri, and their two children, Bindi Sue, 8, and Robert, 3. Asked how Terri Irwin was doing, Stainton said, "A lot worse than me."
When family members saw Irwin's casket, he said, "It was like a full stop ... you think it's a dream and it's not happening, but it is, and it has and it's done."
Out of respect for Irwin's family, Australia's quarantine service is withdrawing all TV advertising that features Irwin promoting the importance of Australian quarantine measures.
CNN's Grant Holloway and John Vause contributed to this report.
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Anslem Rayburn
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posted 09-07-2006 04:53 AM
quote: Joe Redifer
I think pretty much every forum has a thread about the death of Steve Irwin. I'm fairly sure it's required by law.
I always appreciate your humor, and do in this case, as well. I only want to make the point (in case others missed it), that the other site is frequented by teens. They found it in their hearts to allow their fellow forum members to grieve openly without feeling the need to ridicule the deceased, or those mourning his death. I thought this board was frequented by people that respected each other, and hoped for a level of respect for fellow posters that would surpass that found on a board composed, primarily, of teens. I am more saddened by the lack of respect for fellow Film-Techers than I am by the attitude towards the passing of Steve Irwin. I thought we all were friends that cared about each others fortune, misery, and everything in between. I can accept that I have been proven wrong, but I am dismayed. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Some here have forever lost my respect (not that I expect them to care). Not as a professional, but as a person. And that, to me, is more important than their technical knowledge...
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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
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posted 09-07-2006 05:01 AM
quote: Chad Souder
FYI, Dave, Fox News also has a website, where you can read the news if you choose, from which I pulled the quote earlier, hence Frank's comment about reading their version. And no, it doesn't upset me that you spelled my name wrong.
My god Chad!?! Are you really a complete idiot? Read my post... actually Chad do us all a favor and actually READ a post before you respond to it.
I have tried many times to respond to you in politically correct ways when you do what appears to be a dumb ass move and take on some aspect of my post, only to get slapped down afterwards... EVERY SINGLE FREAKING TIME!!!
For one thing you posted a hyperlink to a news story without pasting the body of the text of that news story, which I believe is somewhat of a nono.
And if you had read more than two words from that link in the first place, you would realize that the story came from the AP, not Fox News. It was never their version to begin with. It's like right up there on top and stuff. Fox just paid to place it on its web site instead of hiring a writer to place it there.
As for Frank referring to the link and therefore by way of foxnews.com, that might be true, but since you never placed the text of the story in your original post, other than what you wanted on there, giving no proper credit to the writers of the story by not posting anything but a link, it can easily be believed that Frank made a misnomer in his post, and if that is the case Frank, I am truly sorry for taking you on in such the way that I did.
Let's try again Chad... Here is what you replied to when you thought you were being all kinds of cool and stuff...
quote: Dave Williams
I suppose you can read the crawler at the bottom of the screen, or even go to the internet and read some stories on foxnews.com, but you "watch" Fox News, not read it.
Seems I mentioned the existance of FoxNews.com in the first place. I really appreciate you pointing that out, so that way I wouldn't like forget and stuff! ![[evil]](graemlins/evil.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
As for spelling your name wrong... if that is the worst of your problems, then man do you have a sweet life! All that time to watch cable and stay indoors must really make your hundred bucks really pay off! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
CRIKEY!!!
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