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Bobby Henderson
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- posted 11-06-2005 01:20 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This weekend gas prices here (for 87 octane unleaded) dropped below $2 per gallon. Some stations were as low as $1.94

I still think that's high. With the mild weather forecast this week I'll be bike riding.

Several CEOs for major oil corporations will be on Capitol Hill to discuss why they made record breaking profits this past quarter and what they intend to do to improve refining capacity.

Gas prices have many of us peeved (especially with how diesel still remains strangely high in price and close to that $3 per gallon level here). But I wish there was the same level of anger about the uncontrolled run up on health care prices, as well as price spikes in housing and higher education. That stuff costs a lot more than gasoline.

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Richard Greco
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- posted 11-06-2005 09:22 PM      Profile for Richard Greco   Email Richard Greco   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I filled up today for 2.39......3 hours later same station was 2.36.

I can't wait for it to drop below 2.00 here

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: David Stambaugh
I don't understand diesel pricing. Diesel is easier to produce, requires less refining. It always used to be cheaper
True, diesel is easier to "crack" than gasoline, but the demand for diesel is ten times less than the demand for gasoline. Thus, to manufacture diesel is more costly in the long run for the manufacturers who can't make a profit pricing diesel back to the glory days of 30 cents cheaper than gasoline when the demand is so low.

Once again, it's the "supply and demand" thingey. And with lease programs where one can get into a gas-guzzler vehicle on $250/month payments, then be "flushing the toilet" during the lease term, to where at the end of the term start over again with another lease and do the "toilet flushing" cycle all over again.

Forget about owning a vehicle-it's not heard of in these day and ages.

With this trend, automakers are rolling in the dough with the massive increase of gas guzzler vehicles on the road, thus massively continually increasing the demand for gas, which is shoving the price of diesel skywards with the demand plummeting downwards to just the "PowerStrokes", "Cummins" and "Detroit Allison" diesel users.

Only way for diesel prices to start to nose down is for GM to return making their diesel cars like they did back in the early 80's. But instead of taking a 350cid motor and converting this motor to diesel without the necessary modifications, start fom the ground up with a completely new design. But this will definitely drive the price of the car skyhigh, thus creating a no-win situation here for both GM and the consumer.

Yea, talk about gas prices, we folks here in Idaho are STILL higher than the rest of you folks out there - Posting $2.62/gal and this is going under the commerce department for investigation on why our prices are much higher than the rest of the union. And this is not the first time, that "price gouging" was under attack.

-Monte

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Louis Bornwasser
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- posted 11-07-2005 08:29 AM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A month ago, with auto fuel at $3.10 and 100LL at the airport at $2.89; some used aviation fuel in their cars to save money. Louis

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Dieter Depypere
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Aviation fuel for cars?? Does that work?

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Roger Manning Jr
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I paid $2.56 at costco this weekend for reg. Cost $85.00 to fill up. It's running around $2.85 every place else. Glad I did not get a diesel truck, diesel is about $3.35
Roger

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
But I wish there was the same level of anger about the uncontrolled run up on health care prices, as well as price spikes in housing and higher education. That stuff costs a lot more than gasoline.
Bobby,

You are aware that we have a capitalist economy where supply and demand determine the price? In the case of higher education it is supply/demand of quality professors which drive up their salaries which then drives up tuition.

Health care is the only one that is driven by something other than supply/demand. The high cost of health care is largely driven by malpractice insurance and "defensive medicine" due to ridiculous lawsuits. Real and major tort reform is the only way to bring down health care costs.

If the price of gas wasn't supply/demand driven and was just the oil companies gauging us for profit, then why is the price coming down now? Did they suddenly decide (illegally in collusion with eachother) that they had made enough profit for the year and now they will make a little less?

If we use less gas the price will come down. There are more and more people like you who are biking to work/carpooling now because of the price. The issue is that if the price gets below $2, most will just go back to what they were doing before which will increase the price again.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Dieter Depypere
Aviation fuel for cars?? Does that work?
Sure, 100 "Blue" is gas - just a higher octane. "Red" was the fuel that race car drivers love to use being a 108 octane so they can run almost 13/1 compression.

-Monte

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
A month ago, with auto fuel at $3.10 and 100LL at the airport at $2.89; some used aviation fuel in their cars to save money.
I've never accidentally done that, honest!

Actually, my lawn mower runs great on 100LL.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Lyle Romer
You are aware that we have a capitalist economy where supply and demand determine the price? In the case of higher education it is supply/demand of quality professors which drive up their salaries which then drives up tuition.
If that was truly the case you would only see the prices rising at certain shi shi private schools. The costs are escalating far beyond the rate of inflation everywhere. Many university trustees know this very well and know the American market can't really support these huge price increases. So they're lobbying hard as hell to get as many students as possible from other countries.

quote: Lyle Romer
Health care is the only one that is driven by something other than supply/demand. The high cost of health care is largely driven by malpractice insurance and "defensive medicine" due to ridiculous lawsuits. Real and major tort reform is the only way to bring down health care costs.
It will take a LOT more than tort reform to remedy the runaway costs happening in that sector.

A HUGE part of the problem is the blank check given to the health care industrial complex by Uncle Sam. I do include malpractice trial lawyers in with that "complex." The malpractice insurance factor and tort reform issues are real. However many doctor run assocations provide most malpractice insurance, not traditional insurance companies or reinsurers.

There are some social factors and some very unethical business factors that force health care prices higher. The government is looking the other way, allowing lots of large businesses to hire people off the books and get paid cash under the table. Home builders have many layers of subcontractors that make it easy to do this. They pay next to nothing in benefits and dodge workers comp insurance premiums. If one of those workers gets hurt, he just goes to the hospital on his own and says he has no income and is unemployed. The hospital has to treat the guy. But then they pass that bill 3-fold onto the next working man who comes in without health insurance. There's 50 million American workers who fit that description. When one of those workers is bankrupted by the tab, the tax base picks up the rest of the bill.

Anyway...

...to get back to the subject of gas prices, I was driving a company truck in Duncan, OK today and was amazed to see one gas station there selling 87 octane for $1.79 per gallon.

Hope the downward trend keeps going.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Dieter Depypere
Aviation fuel for cars?? Does that work?
I don't see that many Ford Mondeos passing overhead at 20,000 feet, so I guess not!

A few years ago police in Wales busted a scam whereby Diesel powered cars were being run on used vegetable oil from a chain of fish & chip shops, in an attempt to avoid paying the duty on legit road fuel. Apparently the engine management computers in modern Diesel cars are so sophisticated that they can easily tweak the ignition settings to enable them to burn the stuff quite happily. The only problem is the smell of frying chips coming out of the exhaust pipe, thereby making the crime not that hard to detect.

Given that vegetable oil is renewable energy (i.e. biofuel), if I was the government I'd be encouraging the practice, not trying to stamp it out. Besides, there probably isn't enough of the stuff about to seriously dent fuel duty revenues.

Petrol has come down by a penny or two a litre at most places in the last fortnight or so, though I get the impression that Diesel hasn't. LPG remains the same at 37.9p at the place I usually fill up: it's been unchanged throughout the summer/autumn price bubble.

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Mark Hajducki
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quote: Leo Enticknap
Given that vegetable oil is renewable energy (i.e. biofuel), if I was the government I'd be encouraging the practice, not trying to stamp it out. Besides, there probably isn't enough of the stuff about to seriously dent fuel duty revenues.
I doubt that using food grade vegtable oil is much better than using the non-renewable oils once the energy used in farming, processing and transporting are taken into account.

If produced for fuel use (using higer yeiding but less edible plants) or if recycled then this would probably be a more sustainable source of fuel.

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Bobby Henderson
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There's a growing number of people here in the United States running their vehicles off stuff like used cooking oil. Country singer Willie Nelson has a tour bus that runs off that stuff. But it's not quite the same as fuel grade biodiesel.

Biodiesel 101
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Is Biodiesel the same thing as raw vegetable oil?
No! Fuel-grade biodiesel must be produced to strict industry specifications (ASTM D6751) in order to insure proper performance. Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel to have fully completed the health effects testing requirements of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments. Biodiesel that meets ASTM D6751 and is legally registered with the Environmental Protection Agency is a legal motor fuel for sale and distribution. Raw vegetable oil cannot meet biodiesel fuel specifications, it is not registered with the EPA, and it is not a legal motor fuel.

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David Buckley
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quote: Leo Enticknap
A few years ago police in Wales busted a scam whereby Diesel powered cars were being run on used vegetable oil from a chain of fish & chip shops, in an attempt to avoid paying the duty on legit road fuel.
Naughty naughty. A variation on the old "drop of the red"...

Here in NZ petrol (gas) is taxed at the pump, but all other fuels that could be used to propel vehicles isn't, what you do is buy "road user charges" by distance, so you cant dodge tax the same way.

Makes it much easier from a regulatory point of view, and will become easier when other alternative fuels come along and The Chancellor wants his pound of flesh :-)

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