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Author Topic: The "What makes me go insane!" thread Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-16-2009 08:29 PM                        I agree. Cinematographers who can only "follow trends" aren't exactly very creative.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-16-2009 11:40 PM                     Again, I repeat, this isn't the fault of the cinematographers. It's the asshole directors who are behind this nonsense. Nearly every Michael Bay movie has one of those silly circle pan shots. That's Bay calling it, not the DP of the month. Tony Scott had a circle pan of the top of a building shot from a helicopter in Spy Game. He had the aerial circle pan intercut with closeups of Brad Pitt and Robert Redford arguing. He probably had big sketchpad story boards with a shit load of swoosh marks all over the stick figures. CIRCLE PAN THIS PART, BITCH! Do it from the SKY!!! Aaarrggh! While we're at it, "shaky cam" in the Bourne movies? I think that's more on the director, Paul Greengrass rather than whatever DP was hired for the shoot.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-17-2009 08:47 AM                     Another thing that makes me go insane: when people confuse "dolly" with "pan". I really should have said circle-dolly rather than circle-pan. I'm such an asshole.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-17-2009 09:48 AM                     Don't they also call it a "Carousel Shot?" Yeah, it's way overused! (Whatever it's called.) It's like what happens when somebody is just learning how to edit video with "Movie Maker" or "iMovie." You'll see them use every transition in the book when they aren't necessary. You try to tell them to either use a simple cross dissolve or even just cut to the next shot but they insist on putting in every "ripple," "slide," "cube spin" and "page peel" effect they can get their hands on until the video looks like a damn circus! The same thing happens when you are trying to teach people to shoot video and they keep zooming in and out all the time. You have to, pretty much, slap them upside the head and yell at them to keep their damn fingers off the zoom button! I have a rule when I teach kids to make videos. They are only allowed to use an effect ONE TIME. If they want a zoom shot, they are allowed to zoom in or zoom out and that's it. If they want a ripple transition at the beginning or end of a scene, they are allowed to do it once and that's it. I think there should be the same rule for the circle shot. (or carousel shot or whatever it's really called.) If he wants to use it, he's allowed to do it ONCE. If he wants to use it a second time in the same movie, he las to let some big, badass stagehand kick him in the nuts first!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-17-2009 12:20 PM                        No, it should not be used in ANY movie, not even once. But whoever is responsible should definitely be kicked in the nuts just for considering it. I think the concept behind it is that it shows a 360 view. You don't see the director, crew and equipment anywhere, therefore completely immersing you into the film's "world". Please...  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-17-2009 12:55 PM                     and people who confuse "pan" with "tilt"  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-17-2009 03:05 PM                     quote: Joe Redifer I think the concept behind it is that it shows a 360 view. You don't see the director, crew and equipment anywhere, therefore completely immersing you into the film's "world". Please... Yeah, "immersed" is a pretty ridiculous claim for that kind of shot. I have the opposite reaction when I see the circle-dolly carousel thing. It makes me think about what kind of Technocrane might have been rented or what kind of custom set may have been built all just to get the circular dollying shot. Normally, you think of a camera angle as a sort of natural point of view into the story (character's POV, third person POV) or conventional establishing/covering shots that don't draw attention to themselves. The carousel shot doesn't fit that at all. If it was a character's POV it would be that of a spastic idiot roller skating circles around the other guys in the scene. And then we hope of the other characters finally loses it and beats the skater half to death!  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-17-2009 03:35 PM                        Hearing the top ten Christmas "carols" on the radio 3,874 times each before Dec. 25th, making me wish that Nat King Cole's own nuts were roasting on an open fire....in one of the lower rings in hell.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-17-2009 06:11 PM                        Even though I enjoy the Christmas music, that post made me crack up.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-17-2009 06:31 PM                     There are two Christmas carols. "Adeste Fidelis" Sung in Latin by a huge choir. Accompanied by a monstrous pipe organ that plays so loud it makes you pee your pants when you hear it. And, of course, it would be impossible to faithfully record. You would have to attend a live performance. . "Linus and Lucy" Played by the Vince Guaraldi Trio. But, since Vince Guaraldi is dead, you would have to listen to this on recording. Other than that, all songs are crap, not Christmas. Okay, Maybe I'd give in to "Veni, veni, Emmanuel" but only if sung by choir, unaccompanied, in Latin and arranged in its original antiphonal harmony. Again, a true rendition of this would be unrecordable.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-17-2009 11:05 PM                        I'll give you that, Randy, but even the best of the best would drive you insane if you have to hear them starting at Halloween....Hallow EFFIN WEEN!. Even I can't stand "The First Noel," more than a few times, and that is a song which my Mom said they sang especially for me on my birthday, given that I was born on the 25th of December and gave me the middle name of Noel (and yes, it's pronounced "noel" not "knoll"). I believed they did all those decorations for me too until I was about 6 yro. Then they broke it to me.  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 12-17-2009 11:56 PM                     Worst Christmas novelty song: Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer. I don't know or care who originally performed it. Best Christmas novelty song: Christmas at Ground Zero by "Weird Al" Yankovich. (I think I spelled his name right...)  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-18-2009 12:19 AM                  quote: James Westbrook Worst Christmas novelty song: Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer. Oh come on, James! Where's your sense of humor? Don't be a Grinch! It's been a traditional xmas tune for umteen years. I personally would NOT think of celebrating Christmas without it! Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-18-2009 12:38 AM                        I prefer Grandma's Frozen on the Porch Swing. Also: -Let's Put the Lights on the Trailer. -Is That Rudolph's Nose or Daddy's?  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-18-2009 08:35 AM                       I always liked "Jingle Bells" by the barking dogs. Ever since I was a kid. Also, in my radio days, I used to like to play "Santa's Rap" (the bleeped version, of course) from Beat Street. One day, the GM heard me playing it and came into the control room after it was over. He said, "what in the hell was that," asked me to give it to him, and he threw it away!  |  IP: Logged

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