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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Randy Stankey
You still have to consider that, during even a 1 sec. exposure, the moon would have moved enough to blur the picture. Unless the camera was on an equatorial mount with tracking gear, you are bound to get some motion blur.
I was going to mention telescopes with computerized/motorized tracking. I wish I had one of those things when I was a kid. They're fucking cool. Too bad such setups aren't all that cheap.

Nevertheless, that's another reason to shoot that moon shot using a bigger aperture, like f/8. Much shorter exposure time and reduced chance of blur.

I'm still lusting after some super-telephoto combination rigs. One day I will have a 400mm f/2.8 lens. I just don't have $11,000 in cash laying around to blow on one right now, and don't feel like cashing that much out of my IRA (and paying a tax penalty) for it either. But I will have one eventually. I've seen some impressive moon shots taken with 400mm f/2.8 lenses stacked on 2X teleconverters.

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Joe Redifer
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Put a 400mm on a tripod mounted on a 7D (cropped sensor) and you could get a super-detailed moon shot with an exposure time of probably 1/20 or even faster. And it will be super clear. Crank the ISO up a little (say 640) and you could leave the shutter at 1/60 or faster. The moon wouldn't even have permission to noticeably move during that time.

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Bobby Henderson
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I've been thinking about the 7D as a back-up camera for my 5D Mark II. Ultimately, I'm just going to get a lot more serious about event and portrait shooting gigs. As much as I salivate over Canon's EF 400mm f/2.8L II lens, my next big purchase is going to be more studio lights. Gotta go where most of the money is. And that's with portrait and event shots.

The 400mm f/2.8 package does have a justification: sports photography. Football is HUGE here in Oklahoma. I know I could do a lot of business taking photos of promising high school football prospects (not to mention other sports). But my 5D Mark II body isn't all that hot for sports photography. A series 1 body would be a hell of a lot better for that. I do think there's a market there which is not being exploited.

High end event photography is another thing. I'm wondering how some of these guys weasel their way into shooting medium and large format digital. The equipment is so damned expensive it's just unbelievable. Who did they rob to be able to afford buying this gear? I couldn't see blowing $50,000 on a camera body alone. 50K could get you one hell of a Canon or Nikon based DSLR kit covering the gamut from super telephoto down to extreme aperture prime.

At any rate, I'm gonna have a friggin' 400mm f/2.8 lens. Some guys buy motorcycles as adult toys for themselves. I'm gonna get a big fucking honking super telephoto lens. So there.
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Randy Stankey
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Nevertheless, that's another reason to shoot that moon shot using a bigger aperture, like f/8. Much shorter exposure time and reduced chance of blur.
Consider that the moon is 300,000 miles away and I don't think you have to worry much about DoF. Your two-fifth and three-fifth calculations come out to something like 120,000 and 480,000 miles. With a range of more than half a million miles, I don't think DoF means squat.
(Okay, okay... I know those calculations are baseless. That was humor. [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] )

Point being, at astronomical distances, I don't think aperture and DoF have much bearing. Use whatever aperture is necessary to get the picture you want. I don't think that, in astronomical photography, it would be a problem to leave the aperture wide open, if necessary. (Or just one stop short of wide open.)

quote: Joe Redifer
Crank the ISO up a little (say 640) and you could leave the shutter at 1/60 or faster.
I wouldn't go any faster than that, even with film, unless I was shooting with a format large enough that grain wouldn't be an issue. Even with a 4x5 I wouldn't want to go much above 400.

I would also leave the camera outside for at least an hour or two in order to let it cool down to ambient temperature, preventing heat from causing sensor noise.

When shooting black and white film, you don't have to worry about reciprocity drift causing colors to shift. So, leaving the camera outside to cool to ambient would help prevent distortion from heat inside the camera.

Still, for just walking outside and taking a picture of the moon, Leo's picture ain't bad. [Smile]

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I've been thinking about the 7D as a back-up camera for my 5D Mark II.
I have both. To be quite honest I like taking pictures with the 7D more than I like taking pictures with the 5DM2. Yeah the crop factor sucks but the 7D is so much easier more more thought-out as far as it's button layout goes. I use the 7D for all of my stop motion animation. The 5DM2 requires you to automatically know the proper numbers to dial in for any particular exposure because you can't use Live View™ unless you have a shutter speed of 30 or higher. I have to eyeball that shit and I am not taking a crap-ton of test photos first.

quote: Randy Stankey
I wouldn't go any faster than that, even with film, unless I was shooting with a format large enough that grain wouldn't be an issue. Even with a 4x5 I wouldn't want to go much above 400.
Even at an ISO of 1000 it'd be far less grainy than Leo's current pic.

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You're right, Joe, but I'm one of those weird guys who still shoots with film. I think diffr'nt. [Wink]

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Randy Stankey
You still have to consider that, during even a 1 sec. exposure, the moon would have moved enough to blur the picture. Unless the camera was on an equatorial mount with tracking gear, you are bound to get some motion blur.
I must admit that I hadn't thought of that (silly really, given that at that time in the evening, it's low enough on the horizon for its movement to be visible in 2-3 mintues to the naked eye, let alone through a 300mm lens). When I get a bit of time and a clear night (annoyingly, the night after I took that photo was cloudy, and I was out on the following two) I'll try again, both with a smaller aperture and the sensor set to a higher (film simulation) speed, with a shorter exposure.

The real reason I took that pic was to see how much detail would be visible just with a normal "prosumer" SLR lens (albeit about the longest one a non-professional is likely to own), taking advantage of the 24 megapixel sensor in the camera. The raw .NEF file created in the camera is 6016x4000, of which the moon, measured from left to right, is only 824 pixels in diameter. So what you see is cropped from a very small part of the original image.

If we ever get to the stage at which consumer cameras have, say, 20k sensors in them, long optical zoom lenses will be pretty much obsolete for most purposes, because it'll be possible just to take a wider shot and enlarge whatever detail from it you want.

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quote: Leo Enticknap
I'll try again, both with a smaller aperture...
A smaller aperture number which would give a larger aperture opening. Right? [Smile]

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Paul Mayer
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120 Yashica Avenue
Nagano, F22S60
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Paul Mayer
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"Dreamy Camera Cafe", a coffee shop built to look like a Rolleiflex TLR, just outside of Seoul, South Korea... [Smile]

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Randy Stankey
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Since the sign wasn't in English I figured the camera would have to be a Yashica Mat instead of a Rollei. [Wink]

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Randy Stankey
A smaller aperture number which would give a larger aperture opening. Right?
Sorry, yes, smaller number / bigger hole (as the actress said to the bishop).

There are times when cellphone cameras have their uses, though. About 2-3 weeks ago there was a slightly more than trivial earthquake: near the epicenter (somewhere near Long Beach IIRC) it caused serious damage to a couple of buildings and quite a bit of more minor damage. Where we are, about 40 miles away, it was enough to have ceiling lights swinging. By the following day, the local Home Depot had already spotted a business oppportunity! The manager there was certainly quick off the mark.

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I would have stood out somewhat trying to take this with an SLR.

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Randy Stankey
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Don't worry. I was only making fun. [Smile]
You just got you mords wixed. I do it too. [Wink]

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