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Topic: Cyan Tracks
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William Hooper
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1879
From: Mobile, AL USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-05-2004 12:25 AM
quote: As far as I can find in my files, the ads and articles about red LED readers published in Boxoffice, Film Journal, etc. in 1996 and 1997 did not "sell" red readers based on any proposed conversion to cyan dye track. The Joseph Hull article (Film Journal, August 1998) is the first that really promoted the idea of cyan dye tracks directly to theatre owners, and by that time, he reported 28,000 red LED installations worldwide:
http://www.film-tech.com/manuals/DOLBYSCANREV.pdf
Jack Cashin of USL published an article about conversion to cyan dye tracks in October 1998. I believe the first presentation about cyan dye tracks directly to theatre owners was at ShowEast in October 1998.
So it appears that thousands of red LED readers were installed prior to late 1998 without any "push" from cyan dye track conversion.
From http://www.dyetracks.org/ci.os.0012.reddye.html
quote: At the 138th SMPTE Technical Conference and World Media Expo held in Los Angeles in October 1996, a paper entitled "Red LED Reproduction of Cyan Stereo Variable Area Dye Tracks," by Paul R. Goldberg (Zoran Corp.), Ioan Allen (Dolby Laboratories), Frank J. Ricotta (Technicolor), and Richard C. Sehlin (Eastman Kodak Co.), was presented. The paper discussed the means by which the motion picture industry could finally eliminate its dependence on analog sound track redevelopment, an additional processing step that reintroduces silver into analog soundtracks printed on color stock. A soundtrack reading mechanism, based on the use of a red light-emitting diode (LED) illumination source, was described. The mechanism allows the reading of a cyan dye track with fidelity essentially equal to that presently obtained from a standard "silver track" reproduced by a conventional soundtrack reader.
So who convinced the manufacturers to switch to red LED readers, & what was the argument? The whole cyan track idea was to get a large installed base of LED readers in place, then switch. "Cyan tracks are coming, new readers will need to be red LED readers". Who came up with the inferior red LED system, and why if it were not simply to switch to cyan tracks?
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-05-2004 10:15 AM
William Hooper wrote:
quote: Then to whom were they sold before 1998, & how were they "sold" since they required high-magenta to support them ?
They were sold to thousands of theatres that wanted them, usually new installations at the time. In the early days, all conventional prints (cyan+magenta+silver) were XM optimized for either white light or red light, but they were played on both, accepting the sibulance that went with playing the track on the wrong reader. "High Magenta" was developed as a compromise to allow nearly the same XM optimization point on either type of reader, but even today, not all distributors/labs are using "high magenta".
"High Magenta" is not "required" to support a mix of readers, it is recommended. Some still choose to accept some sibulance on the segment of readers for which the tracks are not XM optimized and use conventional (cyan+magenta+silver) tracks for the current mix of readers.
Gordon McLeod wrote:
quote: Also one of the disadvantages of the IR led was it read residual print wash as a modulated noise which the red led didn't
In other words, when there was some residual silver left in the clear areas of the soundtrack or non-uniformity of the silver developer application, it resulted in audible defects.
Another reason some preferred red LED to IR LEDs was that inexperienced operators could easily SEE that they were on, and SEE the track image for initial alignment. Goldberg referred to this as "compelling appearance".
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-06-2004 08:58 AM
quote: Why didn't Disney want to go high-magenta?
You'll have to ask Disney. Obviously, they have decided to convert to cyan dye tracks.
http://www.infocusmag.com/.%5C02March%5Ctechnologies.htm
ITEA Projection Seminar, January 2002:
quote: Disney rep Jeff Miller expressed support for the program, and spoke of previous environmental efforts in which his company had been involved. “As soon as the theatres have converted, Disney will issue 100 percent dye track analog releases,” he said. Miller encouraged NATO and ITEA to maximize efforts in persuading the remaining screens to convert, pointing out that hardware costs could be as little as $500 per screen.
Disney comments in The Hollywood Reporter, Monday, March 22, 2004:
quote: "Our industry is striving to eliminate sources of environmental harm, improve lab productivity and theatrical efficiency," Buena Vista Distribution president Chuck Viane said. "Buena Vista is proud to be taking a cutting-edge position in this worthy effort."... Disney's first pure-dye cyan title is "Mr. 3000," scheduled for release worldwide in September. According to Viane, Disney will then switchover to pure-dye cyan for all its titles released worldwide beginning Jan. 1. Disney's release print conversion will be handled by Technicolor.
In the past, labs manufacturing the soundtracks on 35mm release prints around the world have used environmentally unfriendly chemical processes. Environmentalists have charged that the lab procedures waste water, pollute the air, produce manufacturing waste, and introduce an array of caustic chemicals into the environment.
Under the old process, silver was used to create the soundtrack; the new process substitutes pure-dye cyan, which eliminates the use of caustic and toxic soundtrack redeveloper solution and allows for much simpler disposal of used prints.
"We manufacture a billion feet of film a year and the industry all combined (turns out) probably 15 (billion)-20 billion feet," said Jeff Miller, executive vp worldwide postproduction and operations for Walt Disney Studios.
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