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Author Topic: HATEFUL EIGHT 70mm - all discussion Sam King Expert Film Handler Posts: 120 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 01-06-2016 10:10 PM                     I believe the only 35/70 Kinoton projector at Arclight Hollywood is in the Dome. The JJ in theatre 3 belongs to Arclight and has been there for years, but not since the complex opened. I have seen 70mm off that machine before as well as 35mm changeover done between the Kinoton 35 machine and the JJ.  |  IP: Logged Bill Brandenstein Master Film Handler Posts: 413 From: Santa Clarita, CA Registered: Jul 2013 posted 01-07-2016 12:57 AM                     Thanks, Jim. Sam and Stephan, too.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-07-2016 07:28 AM                     Jim...just stop while you're behind on this one. H8 doesn't need any sort of "special" aperture plate. Though Ideal to cut one for the format, it isn't the end of the world if you use your standard 70mm plate. Regardless if you use a forward or reverse anamorphic, at least two sides of the image are still using the same masking, providing you don't change primes. Since people are either going to mask things specially for this format, it is going to be faster to just move the masking to fit the existing plate or for those without masking, just make sure it isn't overcut. Now the bulk of the systems showing the movie are the BLSI systems so yes, a new plate will be cut just for this movie but that has nothing to do with Kinoton projectors. Shakiness in the Overture Card (that really has no place in a "Road Show" movie but for those without curtains (vast majority), it does give the audience something to look at other than a blank screen and wondering if they are missing something)...there was definitely a printing problem...multiple prints have been identified with a shaky reel 1A and a static card, like the Overture Card is going to shine a light on it. Odds are, the image shake you saw was NOT an artifact of the JJ. I've seen it on the blessed Kinoton FP75ES projectors too. Verified it wasn't the projector's fault with the wonderful BLSI target film based on SMPTE PA70 but with inch markings as well as percentage crop and 1.25X ellipses to confirm good anamorphic rotation. As for cutting Kinoton 70mm apertures. On the AA2, remove the gate after the masking and lens is all set and be careful not to let the plate drop onto the intermittent sprocket For the FP75 (same plate as the DP75), again remove the skate and film. It can be handy to have a coat hanger or like object to hook onto the rolled over piece to save your fingers a bit but quite doable. Just be sure when putting it back that the dimple is seated in its slot before passing judgement on the top/bottom edges. Note, the hook type "tool" is handing for the 35mm plates too since they have a big hole to grab. The DP75. Removing the trap assembly (as easy as removing a AA2 plate without the gate) is just part of life with aperture plates. For 35mm you have to remove the selector lever since that plate will be going in an out a lot. I've never tried leaving it in while cutting them. As same says, on 35mm, you mess one plate, you messed three. As for Kinoton running H8...absolutely no problem. An MP75E was used for dailies and I know that the AFI/Silver uses their FP75ES on all of their H8 shows (pictures of the machines are in the F-T gallery). Odds are, if their was a BLS projector being used, there wasn't an existing 70mm installation (still in place anymore) on the screen chosen. I doubt anyone was going out of their way to make yet more work out of this very ambitious project.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-07-2016 08:19 AM                     The Gateway Film Center in Columbus, OH will begin showing the 70mm version on January 15.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 01-07-2016 08:32 AM                        JJ machine set #48 at the Hollywood Arclight... I've been running on JJ machine set #47 here at the Movico Parisian 20 in West Palm Beach, FL. We've been on about a 55' screen in a 450 seat house (theater 16). Pretty good and somewhat unexpected, since Star Wars is playing on seven screens here - I figured H88 would have been relagated a smaller screen.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-07-2016 10:11 AM                     To follow up on the Gateway Film Center, they will be running on equipment that they installed in 2015. They hope to have other 70mm engagements in the future, as well as showing as much 35mm as they can for revival and current screenings.  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 01-07-2016 01:57 PM                     My son & I saw it today at AMC Potomac Mills #11. Projector: Century JJ The beginning of the overture had some particles but that disappeared within a few seconds. I'd attribute that to the run-in from the platter that was suspended prior to starting the show. And yes, there was a slight weave in the overture card but that did not carry over into the main feature. Otherwise the only other thing I picked up on was that aperture plate need a few extra file strokes because the extreme top right of the image didn't quite hit the masking. Maybe only a foot or so was affected vertically and only an few inches on the horizontal, but it did not detract from the overall projection. The bottom of the picture was not masked. The presentation was flawless and the image bright and clear. My son even remarked that the picture seemed to jump off of the screen. In close-ups of Samuel L. Jackson's face you could count the hairs on his mustache. My son, who really doesn't care about presentation medium, is now a convert to 70mm. The film was absolutely amazing. 3+ hours went by without me getting restless. The intermission was a welcome health break.  |  IP: Logged Bill Brandenstein Master Film Handler Posts: 413 From: Santa Clarita, CA Registered: Jul 2013 posted 01-07-2016 04:06 PM                     quote: Sam King I believe the only 35/70 Kinoton projector at Arclight Hollywood is in the Dome. If nothing has changed since this photo was taken in 2009, then it certainly is a Kinoton at the Dome:  |  IP: Logged Jerry Axelsson Expert Film Handler Posts: 107 From: Stockholm, Sweden Registered: May 2005 posted 01-07-2016 04:40 PM                     When I was there in the booth in 2013, the Kinoton FP-75E was still installed and ready for use.  |  IP: Logged Mark Ogden Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 943 From: Little Falls, N.J. Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-07-2016 05:40 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag multiple prints have been identified with a shaky reel 1A and a static card, like the Overture Card is going to shine a light on it. Odds are, the image shake you saw was NOT an artifact of the JJ. Really, it was the entire picture, right up to the last chapter title. It wasn't very visible otherwise, but on some shots where the camera didn't move you could tell the image was shaking slightly by looking at a background object. The FP75E in the above shot is in the Dome. I have been in the booths there on two separate occasions and unless I was hallucinating, or that machine moves around between screens, there is at least one more in the Multiplex expansion, I think upstairs (screen #10)?  |  IP: Logged Paul H. Rayton Expert Film Handler Posts: 210 From: Los Angeles, CA , USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 01-07-2016 06:00 PM                    AFAIK, at the Dome, that FP-75 remains there and doesn't move anywhere. I have visited in there every now and then, and that projector has always been right there, immediately adjacent to the "Baker" Cinerama projector. In the other screens there (the Arclight Hollywood screens), there were some Kinotons from when they first opened, but none of them were 35/70-capable. I know that when they ran the 70mm prints of both "The Master" and "Inherent Vice" in the Arclight, they used a rented DP70 from a local source. Apparently that DP70 was no longer present, or possibly BL&S didn't want to entrust "their" shows to a machine they had not inspected and tested.  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 01-07-2016 06:27 PM                     There are places around such as the Grand Lake that is running it on the theatres own equipment. At the Grand Lake all we are using is the anamorphic lens and 70mm timecode reader from BL&S. Everything else belongs to the theatre.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schulz Expert Film Handler Posts: 122 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: May 2007 posted 01-07-2016 09:22 PM                     I used to work at the Hollywood Arclight and that Kinoton 35/70 projector indeed lives in the Dome booth permanently. As for the main building, they used to have a JJ upstairs on screen #10 but that was removed years ago (even before I started working there in 2007) and replaced with two Kinoton FP-30's for changeover shows. They put in a DP70 downstairs on screen #3 for the recent P.T. Anderson releases but replaced that with BL&S's JJ rig for The Hateful 8. I'm not sure if that was because BL&S didn't trust the existing projector (which in their defense, that DP70/AW3 setup did scratch a couple of those 70mm prints) or if the person who lent them the DP70 wanted it back.  |  IP: Logged David J Hilsgen Expert Film Handler Posts: 192 From: SAUK RAPIDS,MN . USA Registered: Aug 2004 posted 01-08-2016 02:58 AM                     The 70mm run came to an end tonight at southdale in edina ,mn still doing great business, don't know why they pulled it  |  IP: Logged Michael Barry Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 584 From: Sydney, NSW, Australia Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-08-2016 03:16 AM                     I wonder if patrons will want to see it in 70mm after it gets pulled...  |  IP: Logged

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