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Lyle Romer
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quote: Jesse Skeen
Any reason why Hateful Eight, having an intermission, wasn't run as two separate films?
I'd guess so that in a platter based show, nothing needed to be done during the show and they didn't have to thread the projector with the second part.

It also guaranteed the length of the intermission would be consistent.

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Sam D. Chavez
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It was meant to make everything more fool proof. The Boston provided gear was not automated except for fail safe/film runout and an over tension device so show was started manually and lights would need to be raised and lowered as needed.

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Jesse Skeen
Seems a waste to just have film running for the length of the intermission, though I suppose that saves anyone from having to go upstairs more often.
The Hateful 8 venues I'm aware of, including the one I worked at, had a full
time projectionist in the booth at all times. There was no "going upstairs".
Someone was up there all the time. Every show. Every day.

Have automation & i-phones made us so lazy that having climb some stairs
is something to whine about?

If someone doesn't like 'going upstairs' they need to either get over it,
or get another job.

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Mike Heenan
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I'd find it hard to believe EVERY location had someone in the booth at all times.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Jesse Skeen
Any reason why Hateful Eight, having an intermission, wasn't run as two separate films?
As has been noted the BLSI systems had no automation, so somebody had to be there to start it, had to be there when Act 1 entered intermission (to get lights), had to be there when Act 2 resumed (to get lights), had to be there when the credits started rolling (to get lights) and had to be there when the show ended.

I've made that point before, it made no sense to me to print up 1500 feet of blank film. It seems to me it would've been safer all around to have split the print onto two decks...BUT there is one thing that putting it on one continuous platter DID provide, and that was it permitted for one of the 3 platter decks to fail and the show still be runnable. It also made it so the wrong Act could not have been threaded by mistake (although the running time differential is pretty obvious).

Still though the cost of 1500 feet of blank film vs. the cost of a second "platter reel" is something I would be interested in knowing, but my assumption is 2 reels would've been cheaper than printing the blank film.

None of this argument has been researched from a financial perspective, so I may be blowing total bs here, but the reels shipped were 52" reels. They could have been the standard 38" reels without any custom work. That would've brought the cost down on the first reel. Plus the road case to ship it in would have been cheaper (with it not being oversize freight). This would have also made it easier (and lighter) to get it into the booths, through doors, up stairs and who knows what. To simply ship 2 road cases each with a 38" reel vs. one 52" reel...it's an interesting equation for somebody in-the-know to calculate.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Whilst Foto-Kem likely gets a quantity discount the present 3.40 per foot cost on a roll of 65mm negative stock is the going rate now if you buy just one roll. I'd bet you are still looking at aleast a buck a foot for release print stock.

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Leo Enticknap
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With rushes, showprints, tests etc., FotoKem will likely have bought around 2.3 to 2.4 million feet of 70mm 2383 for this project. Taking the intermission black footage out of that total will only have reduced the total by around 150,000 feet.

When you're buying that much stock, you don't simply place an order for 2.3 million feet at whatever the per footage cost to you or me is as stated on Kodak's website. FotoKem's CEO will have had a high level meeting with Kodak's head of entertainment imaging and haggled. They'd have had to set up a bespoke production run for that much film anyways, and so my guess is that there was no effective price difference between 2.3 million feet and 2.1, hence the intermission black spacing.

Another advantage of the black spacing is that it makes the playing of intermission music idiotproof, too.

Given Tarantino's general obsessiveness, I'm surprised that the prints weren't on 2393, given that for an order that big, it probably would have been viable to whip up a bespoke "brew" of the emulsion. That would have looked really spectacular, especially the dark interiors.

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Sascha F. Roll
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Question concerning Image Steadiness:

Has anyone seen an absolutely "rock steady" presentation of H8ful 8?
I've seen the movie on 2 european locations so far (Paris and Oslo) and in both cases i felt that the print itself might be a bit 'unsteady'.

So, anyone having seen the credits standing still "like a slide"? ;-)

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Sam D. Chavez
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quote: Mike Heenan
I'd find it hard to believe EVERY location had someone in the booth at all times.
Point taken, there's no way to keep an operator there every minute unless there were handcuffs involved.

There were some number of house that still had 35/70mm equipment interfaced to house automation. Maybe 10 as a guess? They made their own arrangements with Weinstein as to staffing.

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Mark Hajducki
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Was the intermission black film or something more robust (such as fullcoat magnetic for 35mm). Was the douser closed for the intermission?

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Stephan Shelley
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At the Grand Lake Oakland, we are automated and not in that booth all the time. We are running 3 other screens located in two other booths.

Now that Star Wars can be moved out of our largest house we have moved the 70mm H8 into it.

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quote: Mark Hajducki
Was the intermission black film or something more robust (such as fullcoat magnetic for 35mm). Was the douser closed for the intermission?
At least at the location I saw it at, just standard black film, douser open, projected on screen.

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Scott Norwood
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quote: Buck Wilson
At least at the location I saw it at, just standard black film, douser open, projected on screen.
Eww...tacky.

Yes, the intermission reel is processed, black film with DTS timecode. It shows up as "reel 13" on a DTS XD20.

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Buck Wilson
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It's a late 90's AMC megaplex without proper working masking let alone curtains, what do you expect? Lol

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Daniel Schulz
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quote: Scott Norwood
Yes, the intermission reel is processed, black film with DTS timecode. It shows up as "reel 13" on a DTS XD20.

Interesting bit of trivia, the original plan was to print the intermission reel without timecode. I lobbied to include the R13 timecode and include digital silence on the disc as reel 13, just to stop the show from dropping out of digital sound and back again. Felt more elegant that way.

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