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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 11-28-2007 09:03 PM

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So I am in Southern California today and I thought a visit to the Frys over in Placentia would be fun. The Vegas store has sorta petered out for what ever reason and the Fry's over off the Tustin and 91 exit has always been very well stocked, if not overstocked on past visits there.

This is a really cool Fry's store and should not be missed by any ectronics/gadget fan!

They had all HD and Blew Ray disks in stock ever made for the most part... probably the best selection I've ever seen at pretty decent prices averaging about $19.99. The isle where thse are at is well over 100 feet long!

As far as players it was interesting and disappointing at the same time. They had players that I've not seen in person such as the LG and the Panasonic Blew Rays... but all the Blew Ray players were at $400.00 and up!

As for HD-DVD they had the usual stuff at the usual lower than Blew Ray prices but they also had the top of the line Toshiba player as well at the usual prices and the 5 free movies rebate slips were located in several places through out the DVD player aisle.

This Fry's store seems to know how to setup and display TV's and dvd players pretty well... there were several impressive sets with very nice quality images on them.

So it was an interesting visit but I still have not bought a Blew Ray player and still won't till prices become reasonable.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 11-28-2007 10:22 PM

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You sound like a whore for the DVD Forum with all the whiny "Blew Ray" baloney. Is Toshiba paying you for that "sales pitch," and if so how much?

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 11-28-2007 10:55 PM

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He is passionate about his HD-DVD, because he is stuck with it. I feel his pain. If HD-DVD was so superior, he wouldn't even bee looking at buying a BLU-RAY player. Fact is, I think he feels that HD-DVD is indeed a losing prospect and needs to make fun of it to hide the pain. I am buying the new duo player because it is Samsungs first Profile 1.1 unit. If the BD-P2400 was available for $200 less at the same time this new duo player comes out, I would purchase it instead. The only thing it will not have is the HD-DVD compatibility. Unfortunately, that player isnt supposed to be out until January...at the earliest.

Mark, before you think that I am trying to make a point that Blu-Ray is somehow superior to HD-DVD, let me assure you that I am not saying that. I actually have no idea which format is technically better...if either actually it. I bought into BLU-RAY because of the software available, the different manufacturers to choose from, and the larger storage capacity of the disc. For all I know, HD-DVD may provide a better picture and superior sound, then again, it may not. All I know is, I'lll be happy watching my movies on my high-end BLEW-RAY player while your at Fry's digging through the $10 bin looking for remaining HD-DVD discs. Good luck with your format choice.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 11-29-2007 01:07 AM

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quote: Bobby Henderson
You sound like a whore for the DVD Forum with all the whiny "Blew Ray" baloney.

Well, I guess if Monte F. can keep referring to eBay as "eBone," Mark can keep using "Blew Ray." [sleep]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 11-29-2007 01:12 AM

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quote: Bobby Henderson
You sound like a whore for the DVD Forum with all the whiny "Blew Ray" baloney. Is Toshiba paying you for that "sales pitch," and if so how much?

[sleep]

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Bobby... you sound jealous that you didn't get to go to Fry's! Will they ever build one in Oklahoma? Doubtful!

quote: Frank Dubrois
I am buying the new duo player because it is Samsungs first Profile 1.1 unit.

Oh quit the crap Frank! Admit it! You're stuck buying either that or a seperate HD-DVD player so you can enjoy all the great HD-DVD software out there. Like it or not thats life... I would never be the first to shell out 700 bucks for any first generation product especially from a manufacturer whose other Blew Ray player still wouldn't operate properly after how many firmware upgrades??? Sorry but I'll wait till there is a 99.00 Blew ray player to go along with my 99.00 HD-DVD player because thats all either of these systems warrants. Then I'll take that 500.00 difference over what you'll be spending on a Sammysung dual player whose operation is already doubtful and spend it on Blew Ray software [Smile]

[Smile]

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and all you'll be watchin are the movies that came with the machine [Big Grin]

[Big Grin]

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quote: Frank Dubrois
I bought into BLU-RAY because of the software available, the different manufacturers to choose from, and the larger storage capacity of the disc.

Software available... well, thats only half the HD software available [Big Grin]

[Big Grin]

. and there are HD-DVD players available other than the Toshiba! Actually both formats are about even with number of titles or software available.

Now in the data software storage realm the Blew Ray has something going for itself but the hype about the extra storage pertaining to movies to watch at home is sheer nonsense, whats a second disk cost to make....?? A dime perhaps! The storage capacity issue is just about as important as was the Toshiba order by internet firmware upgrade.

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posted 11-29-2007 01:10 PM

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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I would never be the first to shell out 700 bucks for any first generation product especially from a manufacturer whose other Blew Ray player still wouldn't operate properly after how many firmware upgrades?

Neither would I, but the BD-UP5000 is at least a 3rd generation player.

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Software available... well, thats only half the HD software available

Check your facts and get back to me on that one!

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I'll take that 500.00 difference over what you'll be spending on a Sammysung dual player whose operation is already doubtful and spend it on Blew Ray software

Of course you will, because you won't be a able to find any HD-DVD movies.

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there are HD-DVD players available other than the Toshiba!

Other than the dual format machines, and Microsofts add-on to the x-box 360, throw some names out there. Blu-Ray has Sony, Samsung, Denon, Sharp, Pioneer Elite

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Mike Heenan
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posted 11-29-2007 10:13 PM

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quote: Marky Mark
As for HD-DVD they had the usual stuff at the usual lower than Blew Ray prices but they also had the top of the line Toshiba player as well at the usual prices and the 5 free movies rebate slips were located in several places through out the DVD player aisle.

I like how you post the Blu Ray price at "400 on up" but yet you try to hide the top of the line HD DVD player with "usual prices" which is comparable to Blu Ray pricing now ($399 or so). Oh, and Blu Ray also does the 5 free movies thing too.

Here's another "nail in the coffin" for Hd DVD: [Wink]

[Wink]

Blu Ray

This is the only part in regards to Hi Def dvds

The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 11-29-2007 11:27 PM

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quote: Frank Dubrois
Of course you will, because you won't be a able to find any HD-DVD movies.

If there isn't going to be any HD-DVD then why on earth are you so concerned about buying a dual format player? Frank... you just keep on setting yourself up [Big Grin]

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 11-30-2007 12:42 AM

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Bobby... you sound jealous that you didn't get to go to Fry's! Will they ever build one in Oklahoma? Doubtful!

Like I would even need to buy anything from Fry's. Even if I did...ever hear of a thing called ordering online?

And if you think having a Fry's is a big difference on what makes a state good or bad, then you're more stupid than I ever thought you were. Take your anti-Oklahoma insult and stick it. We have people from all over the nation and world moving here in droves lately so it can't be as bad as you might think. On second thought, say more bad things about Oklahoma. We don't need too many people coming to this state and driving up living costs and clogging the roads with traffic jams. It's nice having surplus water and electricity supply in a sun belt state.

The "Blew Ray" thing sounds very silly due to the fact the situation is 100% stalemated in terms of software output from movie studios. Keep shouting "blew ray" to the rafters and sound even more silly doing it. Write "blew ray" 10 million times and it won't do squat to affect the stalemate.

Mark, you are the one and only reason why I would even bother take any pleasure at all if Toshiba takes a big nosedive in its financial reports over HD-DVD. They can only drop so many hundreds of millions of dollars trying buy 2 year commitments from movie studios before they wind up losing their ass. And Microsoft's involvement in this fray is hardly anything positive either. The only reason why they're really involved is just to give their video on demand/download format a toe-hold in the marketplace. In the end Microsoft could be undermining disc-based video formats. Microsoft is a doofus corporation of late and is trying to posture itself as an advertising company to compete with Google meanwhile its Vista OS is a stinking pile of shit. Microsoft doesn't have its eye on the ball anymore. It's too bad Apple's latest OS release is being called "the new Vista" by critics for all its problems. But I guess that's just business.

Try as hard as you can, but you will never get away from the fact that HD-DVD is a watered down, compromised way of trying to get away with using existing DVD replication equipment to sell HD-quality movie discs.

I have no love lost for Sony (my first DVD player was a Sony, a $400+ player that developed playback problems 1 year after purchase and got really bad at the 2 year mark) but at least they are actually trying to get a real "next generation" of optical disc-based movies going. The DVD Forum is not. They are merely doing as little as they cheaply can to barely get by.

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If there isn't going to be any HD-DVD then why on earth are you so concerned about buying a dual format player? Frank... you just keep on setting yourself up [Big Grin] [Razz] .

LOL thats the only point you could dispute? Then again, I did say:

quote: Frank Dubrois
I am buying the new duo player because it is Samsungs first Profile 1.1 unit. If the BD-P2400 was available for $200 less at the same time this new duo player comes out, I would purchase it instead. The only thing it will not have is the HD-DVD compatibility.

I WANT the BD-P2400 because it is everything that the BD-UP5000 duo player is, minus the HD-DVD compatibility. Unfortunately, it will be delayed longer than I want to wait. Personally, I wouldn't pay the extra $200 for the duo if the 2400 was sitting right next to it....but Best Buy has a limited return policy, and I must make my purchase sooner than the 2400 is slated to be released.

LONG LIVE BLU-RAY [beer]

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HD-DVD - R.I.P.

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posted 11-30-2007 02:42 AM

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and there are HD-DVD players available other than the Toshiba!

According the official HD-DVD site, Toshiba and Venturer are the only two brands on the market and they offer a total of 4 players. Best Buy and Circuit City only list Toshibas, unless you are looking for a dual format player. Venturer branded players are available at Wal-Mart and Target.
HD-DVD player list

Meanwhile, the site for Blu-Ray lists about 25 players from 10 different manufacturers.

Blu-Ray site (You'll have to click on the "Hardware" link at the top to see the list).

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Damien Taylor
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posted 11-30-2007 02:48 AM

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Any good combo units out yet? We're not even seeing HD-DVD discs hit the shelves down here yet, utterly backwards country.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 11-30-2007 08:54 AM

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If you have to buy a player anytime soon, the Samsung UP-5000 model is probably the best dual format HD disc player to get.

I'll probably buy a player around Spring time once the next wave of player models hits store shelves. I'm sure lots of new models will be shown at the Winter CES in Las Vegas in January, and we will probably see quite a few more dual format HD disc players.

quote: Anslem Rayburn
According the official HD-DVD site, Toshiba and Venturer are the only two brands on the market and they offer a total of 4 players.

I don't know if that player list is 100% accurate or fully up to date. If it is then that does sound bad for the HD-DVD format. Nevertheless, I still contend the situation is very stalemated simply due to the software situation. Any HD-disc from Universal Pictures and Paramount/Dreamworks is going to be HD-DVD based. Warner Bros. gives some priority to the HD-DVD format above its support for Blu-Ray. For example, their Ultimate Matrix box set appeared first on HD-DVD and apparently still has not been released on Blu-Ray even though a BD release has been in the works.

There's lots of movies available in HD-DVD, just like there is a lot released in Blu-Ray. There just isn't very many available in both formats. That makes it pretty clear that customers will either have to buy a dual format player or buy two players.

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 11-30-2007 10:40 AM

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That makes it pretty clear that customers will either have to buy a dual format player or buy two players.

........or not.

I don't feel a burning need to own HD-DVD now or in the near future. I don't think the format will last very long.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 12-01-2007 01:10 AM

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HD-DVD will last as long as Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner Bros./New Line continue releasing movies in the format. You're not going to get any Blu-Ray versions of new releases like The Bourne Ultimatum, one of the biggest hits of 2007.

This situation reminds me of the early days of the digital sound format war in movie theaters. Quite a few theaters installed processors for 2 or even all 3 of the formats. Studio support was split all over the place for several years. By the end of the 1990s most studios were releasing movies on "quad format" prints, making it safer to install playback hardware in the booth rack for just one of the three formats.

Warner Bros. has shelved its "Total HD" format, which bonded Blu-Ray and HD-DVD layers back to back. According to sites like The Digital Bits, Warners was having quality control problems in replicating the discs. Even the HD-DVD/DVD combo format has had QC troubles. Physically, it's easier to combine playback capability for the two HD formats within one standalone video player or computer optical disc drive.

The hardware based solution seems to be the way to go in accommodating multiple audio video formats rather than have the software pile up duplicate files in different format flavors. Just about any surround sound receiver plays both Dolby Digital and DTS now. Just about any DVD burner writes to various "+" and "-" discs on CD and DVD media. A video player that allows both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray playback will continue this already long established and seemingly unbreakable trend.

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