Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Community   » The Afterlife   » Anyone consuming HD or Blu-ray? (Page 41)

 
This topic comprises 105 pages: 1  2  3  ...  38  39  40  41  42  43  44  ...  103  104  105 
 
Author Topic: Anyone consuming HD or Blu-ray?
Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 01-03-2008 06:29 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Legally you are allowed a backup copy of what ever you purchase....

You are absolutely correct, Mark. But nevertheless, the MPAA still keeps screaming that it is illegal, illegal, EEE EFFIN LEGAL, and anyone doing it should have their fingernails pulled out. They also argued in court that no one needs a "protection" copy (which the copyright law STILL says it legal) because DVDs unlike tape, they said, are "indistructable."

The only reason THAT exception in the law still stands is because when the MPAA was bribing congressmen to make it a crime punishable by life in prison to make the single protection copy, they kept plying the pertinent polititians with booz and hookers....who knew they got the booz right, but that they should have been sending them hustlers?! [Razz]

[ 01-03-2008, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Frank Angel ]

 |  IP: Logged

Bruce Hansen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 847
From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 01-03-2008 05:21 PM      Profile for Bruce Hansen   Email Bruce Hansen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Disney has been playing games with how they put together their DVDs so that they are very hard to make a copy of. I wounder if they are playing the same sort of games with BDs for the same reason, and in the process making it hard for the players to play the discs as well.

 |  IP: Logged

Mike Blakesley
Film God

Posts: 12767
From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 01-03-2008 06:02 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So it's actually taking MINUTES for a hi-def DVD to start playing the movie? That's just unrealistic. That was one great thing about VHS....stick tape in, hit fast forward through the commercials, be watching flick in 10 seconds.

 |  IP: Logged

Bill Gabel
Film God

Posts: 3873
From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA
Registered: Jan 2002


 - posted 01-03-2008 06:22 PM      Profile for Bill Gabel   Email Bill Gabel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It all depends on the model of the deck and disc. HD-DVD or Blu-ray some load faster then others. There is not that much pre-show crap on the heads of these discs. There is much more on the SD versions of the movie.

 |  IP: Logged

Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 01-03-2008 10:59 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This is strictly a Blue Ray problem... not a problem with the HD-DVD format. All the HD players regardless of brand or type work a little slower than most because they run on Linux... Linux is slow to load! The problem we're talking about is the pre-caching thing going on with some Blew Ray disks, mainly Disney. HD-DVD does not do the caching routine.

Mark

 |  IP: Logged

Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99


 - posted 01-04-2008 12:04 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Cacheing is really not a great idea for movies. The only possible benefit I could see would be to cache 5 seconds or so of video that can be played back at the layer break point for slow-switching machines. Even this would be barely necessary and should only take 5 seconds (or less) to cache.

 |  IP: Logged

Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006


 - posted 01-04-2008 02:08 AM      Profile for Blaine Young   Email Blaine Young   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark, I must disagree with you. This issue of slow load times is not exclusive to Blu-ray. My HD-DVD player is the Xbox360 add-on unit. When I loaded up some dumb damn Universal title (Knocked Up - or maybe "Chuck & Larry"), it seemed like the little "Loading" graphic was on screen for 5 minutes. I realize that the XBOX interface is not typical, but it's still a delay that I never have to put up with on my LaserDisc player.

 |  IP: Logged

Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 01-04-2008 07:58 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm definately not into X-Box and the HD-DVD is just an add on... its not a true HD-DVD player. Just something of an afterthought for the box... Its obvious your game machine is just playing games with you. Neither of my Toshiba HD-DVD players exhibit that problem.

Mark

 |  IP: Logged

Mark J. Marshall
Film God

Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002


 - posted 01-04-2008 09:20 AM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe, I could never figure out why we had to deal with the layer change delay on regular DVDs. Seems pretty stupid to me.

If we're going to cache the movie, why not do it while displaying the FBI logo that we're all used to seeing. It's usually a still frame anyway. Fire that frame up, load the first ten seconds of the movie, then off we go.

It seems to me they could solve the slow load problems pretty easily if they just got a little more creative.

 |  IP: Logged

Robert W. Jones
Film Handler

Posts: 74
From: San Antonio, TX
Registered: Mar 2007


 - posted 01-04-2008 01:29 PM      Profile for Robert W. Jones   Email Robert W. Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
typically my speed here is around 150mbps
I get those readings too. Depending on the interface, is shows 150Mbps, which is the speed from the computer to modem/router/wireless adapter. Doesn't indicate the download speed.

 |  IP: Logged

Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006


 - posted 01-04-2008 01:55 PM      Profile for Blaine Young   Email Blaine Young   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I'm definately not into X-Box and the HD-DVD is just an add on... its not a true HD-DVD player. Just something of an afterthought for the box... Its obvious your game machine is just playing games with you. Neither of my Toshiba HD-DVD players exhibit that problem.
It's not my intent to start an argument here, but you're obviously bias against Blu-ray. Regardless, calling any of these systems "players" is a stretch anyway. The last video disc system that was a 'player' was LaserDisc. With DVD, VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, HD-DVD, BD and so on, all the 'players' have ever been is specialized computers. The discs are nothing more than data storage devices and the 'players' are merely running a computer program to decode the data, and format the output to the external device. By your strict definition, anybody playing an HD-DVD on their computer isn't really using an HD-DVD player either. It's all just software anymore. The fact you have Toshiba stand-alone computers running Linux for your playback doesn't make it any different than me running XBOX-OS on mine.

My point is that HD-DVD is adding menu caching to their discs, and offering utterly useless features (Online stores to buy movie props - hello?). Further they're touting their platform as superior when Paramount/Dreamworks have already had to strip desired features from their titles due to space and bandwidth limitations.

 |  IP: Logged

Mark J. Marshall
Film God

Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002


 - posted 01-04-2008 02:44 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Uh oh...

Linky Linky

quote:
NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES2008-01-04 20:22:49 GMT (Reuters) (Reuters) — Time Warner's Warner Bros. studio plans to announce it will release next-generation DVDs on Sony Corp's Blu-ray format exclusively, two sources familiar with the plans said Friday, dealing a big blow to Toshiba's HD DVD format.

Warner Bros., Hollywood's biggest seller of DVDs representing about 18 to 20% of sales in the United States, had been one of the few studios that backed both formats.

News Corp's 20th Century Fox, Walt Disney, and Lions Gate Entertainment are among studios backing the Blu-ray format. Viacom's Paramount studios and General Electric's NBC Universal, owned by General Electric Co and France's Vivendi, release movies in HD DVD format.

An announcement is expected shortly, the sources said.


 |  IP: Logged

Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006


 - posted 01-04-2008 03:14 PM      Profile for Blaine Young   Email Blaine Young   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The official press release:

quote:
WARNER BROS. ENTERTAINMENT TO RELEASE ITS HIGH-DEFINITION DVD TITLES EXCLUSIVELY IN THE BLU-RAY DISC FORMAT BEGINNING LATER THIS YEAR

Decision Made in Response to Strong Consumer Preference for Format

(January 4, 2008 - Burbank, CA) - In response to consumer demand, Warner Bros. Entertainment will release its high-definition DVD titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year, it was announced today by Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. and Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.

"Warner Bros.' move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," said Meyer. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers."

Warner Home Video will continue to release its titles in standard DVD format and Blu-ray. After a short window following their standard DVD and Blu-ray releases, all new titles will continue to be released in HD DVD until the end of May 2008.

"Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," said Jeff Bewkes, President and Chief Executive Officer, Time Warner Inc., the parent company of Warner Bros. Entertainment. "Today's decision by Warner Bros. to distribute in a single format comes at the right time and is the best decision both for consumers and Time Warner."

"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."

# # #


 |  IP: Logged

Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 01-04-2008 04:53 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow. As election results pour in, we're now projecting that "Blew Ray" has blown apart HD-DVD.

I was expecting some sort of announcement or hint of an announcement from Warner Bros. on the HD format war during next week's Winter CES in Las Vegas. Guess they're just taking the preemptive step of getting that bit of business out of the way.

The Digital Bits website had a pretty interesting op-ed piece from a fellow offering a retail buyer's perspective. The task of having to support both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray along with standard DVD is too daunting a task for a retail store with limited floor space. There's not enough retail floor/shelf space for a good variety of movies in all three formats. Wal-Mart and Best Buy move a lot of content, but the vast majority of it is still DVD-V. Still, they must compete with online retailers and such. If a customer has to special order a title he'll just get it off the Internet.

There have been rumblings from retail groups that they would eventually pull the plug on BOTH Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and stop carrying either format if the format war remained unresolved. I can only guess Warner Bros. (and all other movie studios) were aware of these retail shelf/floor space issues and steps retailers were already starting to take (such as reducing their ratio of HD-DVD titles to that of Blu-Ray).

I think Warner Bros. announcement of exclusive Blu-Ray support is a much bigger development than the deal Paramount/Dreamworks was given to go HD-DVD exclusive.

Unless Toshiba/Microsoft can score any last minute defections from other Blu-Ray exclusive studios very soon, the HD-DVD format will be finished in just a few months. By the end of May, Universal Studios and Paramount/Dreamworks (and a number of porn companies) will be the only ones releasing content on HD-DVD.

The WB announcement may also affect plans from various electronics companies to release dual format HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players. Toshiba is the only company making standalone HD-DVD players. News from Winter CES will be interesting.

 |  IP: Logged

Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006


 - posted 01-04-2008 05:10 PM      Profile for Blaine Young   Email Blaine Young   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I further view the change by WB to BD only as a way for them to improve on their product. Warner has been doing only a single encode of their films for HD. With that in mind and the 28mb/s video limit of HD-DVD, they may well increase the bit budget to better take advantage of BD's 40mb/s ceiling on video batrate, and offering HD resolution audio as well - how many of us would like to watch (insert your favorite WB feature) with a DTS-HD Master Audio track?

Purely speculation on my part however.

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 105 pages: 1  2  3  ...  38  39  40  41  42  43  44  ...  103  104  105 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.