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Author Topic: Carmike installing 2300 Christie/AIX DLP systems Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-09-2006 12:11 PM                     quote: David Stambaugh A 50% reduction compared to what though? The way the final negative or whatever film intermediate they scan... 4K is the standard for that and they are being shown in 2K which is half that. Someone told me that was the reason for that nice Sony 4K projector. I would peg the 2K system's resolution capability at somewhere a bit better than a good Super 16 film. Add the anamorphic to that and you loose a bit of horizontal resolution since the pixels are now elongated in that direction. This same thing also happens in television and is one reason the Trinitron had worse horizontal resolution that it did vertical. Gee.. no one noticed though did they and thats what the 2K system is all about... people not noticing. Also, All the 2K DLP systems I've seen so far with the exception of one all seem to be a bit on the dim side. Mark  |  IP: Logged Shane Cooper Expert Film Handler Posts: 232 From: Little Rock, Arkansas Registered: Jun 2004 posted 07-09-2006 06:59 PM                     quote: Hopefully you are not bull shitting your customers or leading them into believing the wait is worth it, the printed hype is correct, and the dlp system is actually superior to film.... I will repeat what I said earlier - the customer base already feels that DLP is better. Whether it is a placebo effect because the demand is greater for DLP or as someone said earlier it is simply because "digital" is in the title - it is what they want right now. To answer the question, I have been telling everyone that they should see it for themselves. I am in the business of selling tickets, so you can't blame me! Someone asked was this because it is new. Of course we are seeing a bump for that. It is my opinion that in the future people will seek out the "event films" like Pirates in the DLP.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-09-2006 08:48 PM                        I may be dense. In fact I know I am. But has anyone ever addressed the issue "How does the resolution of DLP at 2K compare to a typical 35mm release print?" Not contrast or color reproduction, but just the resolution. Like if you carefully produce a resolution chart on a 35mm negative, and run that negative through the normal procedure to create a 35mm release print and its 2K DLP counterpart, does DLP lose? If this has been discussed elsewhere, I must have missed it.  |  IP: Logged Michael Gonzalez Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 790 From: Grand Island , NE USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 07-09-2006 09:20 PM                     Obviously I do not know the backgrounds and current employment situation of everyone who posts here, but if you are currently working at a theater, it might be a interesting exercise to talk to a couple of your customers about this and see what they think about it. That way you can judge for yourself if there is a "demand" for it or not.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-10-2006 08:13 AM                        1. Watt for watt, my impression is that DLP is about 45% dimmer than 35mm film. 2. I would say that 70mm and scope are significantly sharper than DLP. DLP about equals a middle quality 35mm flat picture. (Mark: Super 16 is about like that so we agree,) BTW: I am not currently pushing DLP; I am a film-guy. Louis  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 07-10-2006 03:53 PM                        Are there any materials from Christie and/or TI that talk about the differences between film and D-Cinema? Maybe some talking points that can be discussed with interested patrons? Any time that a theater has the opportunity to talk with its customers, it should embrace that opportunity. This has come up before with THX and DTS/Dolby Digital. Customers may be ignorant about something that people in the industry know like the back of their hand, but many customers also like to know what it is they're paying for, and most are also willing to pay for things that they understand more than they are for things they don't understand. Theaters need to quit treating customers like sheep/cattle and more like the sole revenue source that they are. I'm not saying that is true for anyone here, but any theater employee that takes the stance that customers are stupid and not worthy of a little face time should find another line of work. One would hope that the theaters getting these digital projectors have some good answers for those customers who are interested.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-10-2006 06:03 PM                     The sad thing is if the film distributors, projector manufacturers and movie theater operators really gave the public factual details regarding film quality and video quality the customers would probably wind up even more confused in the end. It's either that, or a suddenly better educated public wouldn't be nearly as impressed with the new "digital" toy. Because of that situation, I think the hype and spin from various interested parties will continue. Perhaps in some areas these systems will be quietly installed without all that much notice.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-10-2006 07:34 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson It's either that, or a suddenly better educated public wouldn't be nearly as impressed with the new "digital" toy. Bobby, That was my point. The AVERAGE consumer, a person with a normal IQ can understand and discern between formats like that when they read about them. Of course we do have more than our share of consumer dunderheads out there and alot of folks with below average IQ's. So much for the better presentation medium. Mark  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-18-2006 02:19 PM                     Bump. I visited Carmike's website last night. Very different looking site design change. Maybe I missed something, but none of their theaters are showing the previously shown digital projection listings. Whoever they hired to redesign the site has "DTS" and "Dolby" popping up in many D-Cinema equipped locations (with tiny and somewhat cheezy looking icons). Perhaps I might have missed something and overlooked the digital projection listings. Last night I was pretty tired from a 600 mile drive back home from Colorado.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-18-2006 06:20 PM                        Most of the icons for things like stadium seating, sound format, etc. seem to be "gone". There's no legend box for them either. Maybe the new site isn't finished (that would be my guess), or maybe they're dropping all those pesky details entirely. EDIT: Blurb on Carmike's website makeover by V'Roooom Technology. I wonder if "Slimmed down in loading time" means "We got rid of a lot of extraneous, hard-to-keep-up-to-date data".  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-18-2006 07:02 PM                     My understanding is the old site required managers to update their showtimes and sound format data on a weekly basis (if not more often). I have a hunch the omission of certain show features, such as digital projection, may be due to some kind of scripting error. Nevertheless, I think the site should have ended up looking better. This is probably one of those countless website "designs" where the webmaster knows a good bit about programming but could not give the first popcorn fart about visual design.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-18-2006 09:15 PM                        Did you notice they labelled the "Before" and "After" images backwards? Heh. It'd be funny if people say "Oh the new site looks so much better!" but they really mean the old site.  |  IP: Logged Sam Graham AKA: "The Evil Sam Graham". Wackiness ensues. Posts: 1431 From: Waukee, IA Registered: Dec 2004 posted 07-18-2006 09:43 PM                        Wow...That's one seriously unattractive design. The Showtimes pages look unfinished. Actually, a number of pages do. This has to be a work in progress. In any case, I'd flush it and go back to what was there before. There IS, however, a single page summarizing their digital cinema installs.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-19-2006 12:12 AM                     That single page listing for all of Carmike's D-Cinema installs thus far is pretty convenient. I was surprised to see a number of theaters already featuring digital projection on all screens. None of Carmike's locations in Oklahoma were listed in the "digital projection coming soon" thing. Carmike's new website design may be one of those database driven kinds of setups. I have encountered a number of bugs. For instance, I can't go back to the towns drop down menu to choose a different town in the same state. And when you click on a theater for its showtimes, the map changes to some default image over Kentucky. Kind of wierd. Parts of the previous website design needed improvement. But I liked the old icons for sound formats, THX and digital projection on it far more than the icons on the new site design.  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 07-19-2006 12:10 PM                     Working at Best Buy in video, I learned that a lot of suburban media-seekers, where it seems the mainstay of DLP projectors have penetrated into the Minneapolis/St. Paul market, are mostly led into believing a new technology is superior through the idealism of marketing. DLP reps would visit Best Buy stores weekly & come equipped with plenty of spec & terms which basically equate to jargon that the average person will only pretend to grasp. Albeit, Best Buy stores have video networks that make 2K cinema seem like 70mm, so it's much less of an accurate side-by-side comparison (expecially when the DLP reps bring their own independent display. It's the wow of technology for these people, and it arrives first in places where it's needed: the places that can't do film well, or can't do theater management with any vision connected to the customer's experience, rather than their wallet. But the last days of the old technology will be superior to the first days of the "new" technology. And as long as communities like FT exist to bond the cinema people who care, we can be sure that any technology won't be exploited & forgotten, besides the point that these are obviously NOT the last days for film.  |  IP: Logged

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