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Michael Coate
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The Courier-Journal, Louisville, KY; Feb. 23, 1979.

A closer view of the presentation tag:

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Press coverage at the time of this release described this Louisville booking as a test. It had a "proper" re-release a couple months later, so I guess the test was considered successful.

(Does anyone find it odd that Warner Bros. felt the need to test-release what was at the time the company's highest-grossing film and one that had been out of circulation for only a couple of years? Were they really concerned the film would not play well in a new format?)

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This is a bit different than a newspaper ad, but it DOES COUNT as a 70mm ad... I guess.

http://www.jacksonheightscinema.com/

That's right, Indian movies in 70mm! Oh wait, it was shot on the Red?

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What a shitty looking poster!

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quote: Michael Coate
Were they really concerned the film would not play well in a new format?
I could see why they were concered and wanted to test it.

1. 70mm prints are expensive
2. Cost to ship the prints
3. Dolby was still kind of new
4. Theatres with Dolby had new tech that wasn't cheap
5. The re-release was 6 years after the original release (orininal was a mono release)
6. Originally rated X...but then released as R.

Add all of these up and you have a sizeable investment for all parties involved.

Now that you mention it, one forgets that this picture was nominated for 10 Academy Awards and was the winner of 2.

PS: I don't know about the others, but please keep the pics coming, I really enjoy seeing them.

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They were probably road-testing a hunch - that people would come out and see the movie again - and this was their way of proving it. So, yes, I'd agree it was about money - it usually is - but I doubt they were nervous about the technology. They were probably just seeking confirmation that the movie would still draw a crowd. If anything, they were so sold on the technology that they were RELYING on it to make the rerelease that much more attractive.

The fact that a print was made means that most of the (post-production) expense had already happened. It's actually NOT cost-effective to make just ONE print - with an all-new soundtrack.

New technology has historically been regarded as an incentive to try something in this business. Just look at how "old" technology gets the heave-ho. Black & White, 1.33AR, Silent, Shorts, Mono, Analog, Film...All gone, rare or on the way out.

(This is like saying, "in the mid-1990s, CGI was new and so nobody wanted to try it." Quite the opposite - Everyone wanted to use it. Traditional visual effects went away.)

Dolby might've been new but, from the moment it hit, there was never any question of whether the technology was any good or not. Nor was there ever a question about its marketing power - witness all the ads in this thread. And the fact that theatres had it would only serve as an incentive to supply product. How do you construe that as a disincentive?

I think #5 is *perhaps* your strongest point. But still not a great point - because it doesn't amount to "a sizable investment." After all, the movie was already made, and was a proven hit - commercially and critically. Remember - there wasn't a home-video market yet. So a theatrical rerelease of a proven hit wasn't abnormal.

Finally, from a marketing standpoint - the R rating would have been better for business than an X rating - in fact, the X rating was so bad for business that the name was eventually changed to NC-17.

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quote: Michael Coate
Does anyone find it odd that Warner Bros. felt the need to test-release what was at the time the company's highest-grossing film and one that had been out of circulation for only a couple of years?
They also test-released the re released of the 2000 re release on 35mm. That was done in small college towns and it did well enough to earn a re release on 35mm. That re release grossed $40m. I do question how much the 1979 release grossed, my hunch is nowhere near the attendance of the 2000 release.

Widescreen Review

quote: Manny Knowles
yes, I'd agree it was about money - it usually is
I wasn't going to respond to your post because you already know this-the cost alone to produce and distribute a 70MM print is worry enough. All of the other factors I mentioned go on top of this heavy cost.

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The WIDESCREEN REVIEW article noted above was written by Michael Coate.

I saw that 70mm re-release of EXORCIST at the State-Lake theatre in Chicago. It was an early morning screening, and the people in the audience were almost more interesting than those on the screen! One of my stranger 70mm moments!

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Apparently nobody noticed the 70mm Indian film ad (except for Bobby). Maybe it is because people here generally know nothing about Indian films.

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As someone who at one time ran a bunch of those Indian flicks, knowing they are all 3 hours long, I don't want to even think of having to haul 70 prints of those things around.

Does anyone remember this flick from 1980?

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I saw RAISE THE TITANIC at Woodfield Mall during that engagement. That was one of the best 70mm theatres I ever attended. I must admit that it was not the best 70mm movie I ever attended.

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quote: Robert Harrison
As someone who at one time ran a bunch of those Indian flicks, knowing they are all 3 hours long, I don't want to even think of having to haul 70 prints of those things around.
So you actually believe they are showing 70mm Indian Prints? There's no law (that's actually enforced) which says you have to abide by what you advertise.

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Los Angeles Times, Dec. 19, 1985.

In the event anyone is confused by the contradictory "starts tomorrow" and "now playing" notations present in the ad, their presence can be explained by pointing out that the Avco and Cinerama Dome opened the film on Wednesday, Dec. 18, while everywhere else in the ad opened it on Friday the 20th.

A closer view of the "70mm box":

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quote: Robert Harrison
Does anyone remember this flick from 1980?


Oh, yes! I saw this at the Cinerama Domem in Hollywood (in 70mm, but was preceded by a Pink Panther cartoon and preview for THE JAZZ SINGER, both shown in 35mm ). Afterwards, I saw The Blue Lagoon at the Mann Hollywood (not advertised, but shown in 35mm MAG stereo. Oddly, all they showed before it was a 30 second teaser for STIR CRAZY that was in SCOPE (no actual scenes)even though BLUE LAGOON was flat.

As far as OUT OF AFRICA was concerned, I saw that at the 10am showing at the Dome on Friday. Later that evening, I watched YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES in 70mm at the National.

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It really is too bad that Out of Africa was not filmed in 70mm

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quote: Tom Petrov
It really is too bad that Out of Africa was not filmed in 70mm
Oh yeah... [thumbsup]

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