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Sean Weitzel
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This "roadshow" is getting stranger by the minute it seems.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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according to Stephen Colbert (and his interview with Quentin) - the wide release is now Dec. 31st ... okaaay - the window between the roadshow and the DCP wide release keeps on shortening.

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Paul Mayer
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Hmm. Roadshow_70mm or roadshow_DCP?

I see Albuquerque is going to get its first 570 showings ever with this roadshow release (at the Cinemark Rio 24 - don't know which screen). 'Bout time! [thumbsup]

And this pic from AFI Silver getting their print on reels... as God and [steve] intended. [Smile]

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Poor QT. Who told him to put his picture up against the most anticipated movie of the year?

http://deadline.com/2015/12/the-hateful-eight-star-wars-force-awakens-arclight-theater-fight-1201668018/

Quentin Tarantino Blasts Disney On Howard Stern Show As ‘Force Awakens’ Pushes ‘The Hateful Eight’ Out Of Cinerama Dome

Quentin Tarantino went on the Howard Stern Sirius radio show and spoke about how Disney is strong-arming Arclight Cinemas to push the director’s 70MM presentation of his eighth film The Hateful Eight aside in favor of Star Wars: The Force Awakens in LA’s famed Cinerama Dome. The director first learned about this on Monday. The western was originally due to play there claims Tarantino starting on Dec. 25th, but now Force Awakens is getting an extended play through the holidays.
“It was real bad news and it fucking pissed me off,” Tarantino told Stern. “They are going out of their way to fuck me.”

All per Tarantino: when ArcLight Cinemas told Disney they were honoring their contract for Hateful Eight, Disney threatened to pull Force Awakens from all ArcLight locations.
For years there was a clearance boundary whereby if a film was playing at the Chinese Theater on Hollywood Blvd, then it couldn’t be playing at the Cinerama Dome. But that’s not the situation here with Star Wars: The Force Awakens: It’s playing at the TCL Chinese Theater, Disney’s El Capitan and The Cinerama Dome.

Living here in L.A., The Cinerama Dome is a prized venue for Tarantino. In fact the Cinerama logo appears in the opening credits of The Hateful Eight. The premiere for the film was held on Monday, Dec. 7 at the Cinerama Dome and the director told Deadline’s Pete Hammond, “I made The Hateful Eight for the Dome … This is the first time seeing it at the Dome for me too, and it was like I hadn’t even seen it before, not like this.”

“It’s vindictive, it’s mean, and it’s extortion,” Tarantino added. The Oscar-winning fimmaker further added that his beef isn’t with Force Awakens director J.J. Abrams, but with the top suits at Disney. In fact, Abrams worked with Tarantino when the director starred as McKenas Cole on Abrams’ ABC show Alias. “I made a lot of money for the Disney corporation,” Tarantino told Stern referring to the days when Disney owned Miramax and released such titles as Pulp Fiction ($213.9M worldwide) and the Kill Bill two pic saga (combined $333M worldwide) as well as Jackie Brown ($40M domestic).

It’s no secret that there is a particularly hard fight for screens this holiday season with a glut of films and in fact, Hateful Eight wisely changed up its distribution pattern to accommodate that glut. “It’s so damn crowded right now that everyone is pushing everything,” said one exhib about the fight for screens. “I had (one studio) tell me I have to hold (their movie) on one line while on the other I had (another studio) screaming at me about (their film). “The real problem is that it’s too packed and it’s hard to juggle all these films and we are telling them (the studios) that’s there are too many movies to juggle right now.”
During the broadcast, Stern told Tarantino that Walt Disney Company CEO Bob Iger was an avid listener. The radio host addressed an absent Iger during the show, calling out: “Listen Bob … I don’t give a shit about this theater. Quentin’s a weirdo — sorry Quentin … They’ve got the stupid 70mm – they got all that shit that he cares about. He just wants to show his goddamn movie there. You’re sitting on top of the world. You’ve got Star Wars. What, do you need this?”

Deadline has reached out to the Weinstein Co. and Disney, and is waiting to hear back.

In a statement yesterday, Arclight Cinemas announced how they were preparing for Star Wars: The Force Awakens; that the Dome was upgraded with dual-head Christie 6P laser projectors and Dolby 3D, which can project more than double the light of an average 3D projection system and enable moviegoers to see the nuances in Star Wars: Episode VII.

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Martin McCaffery
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quote:
“It’s vindictive, it’s mean, and it’s extortion,” Tarantino added.
Is he new to this business or something?

You have meddled with he forces of the Mouse Mr. Tarantino and he will not have it!

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Tarantino
“It was real bad news and it fucking pissed me off. They are going out of their way to fuck me.”
It would appear the dialog in my imaginary scene between Tarantino and Weinstein wasn't too wide of the mark, then.

An update on Sunday's show at the Egyptian: I’ve just been in touch with Chapin Cutler, who received the loaner lens sets used in Sunday’s Egyptian show back in Boston today, and had a look at them. It appears that for some reason, and we can’t be 100% sure what that reason was, the astigmatism setting on one of them drifted a bit. This must have happened between the technical rehearsal screening (of the entire show) on Sunday morning and the actual show in the afternoon, because a producer who attended the rehearsal was totally happy with the technical presentation. My guess is that heat cycling caused the locking screw on the astigmatism ring to loosen, but that is just a guess (as I wrote earlier, I personally did not project Sunday's screening or any of the Egyptian shows that have taken place so far). Chapin has asked me to make clear that the lenses left Boston in good working order, which I am very happy to do. This lens set was used for two complete screenings of the film before the one in which we experienced the problem, without any complaints of any focus issue.

The lesson from this would appear to be that the astigmatism rings are not a “set and forget” item, and that the projectionists working these shows do need to check that they are locked and tight at the start of each shift

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Bobby Henderson
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Unfortunately "set and forget" seems to be the standard operating procedure at movie theaters these days. Hopefully this lens issue will turn out to be an isolated problem and not something that will affect many of the 70mm screenings.

Regarding QT and his rant on Howard Stern's show, I'd love to take QT's side on this, but he and the Weinstein Co. either knew better several months in advance or should have known better. There's just no excuse at all for people working in the movie business. Anyone would have had to be living in isolation on Anarctica for the past couple year to not know Star Wars: The Force Awakens would be hitting theaters in late December and hogging every freaking movie screen of any significance during that time.

It would not have hurt QT and Weinstein at all to release this movie in late January. Anyone itching to see QT's 3-hour Western-themed dialog-a-thon, wanting to witness The Splendor of 70mm or both would see this movie regardless of what time of year it was released. The release date wouldn't make a damned bit of difference to any fans of 70mm or fans of Tarantino's work.

Oscar consideration? If his movie was really worthy of winning Academy Awards it should not make any difference when it was released. Patton was released in January of 1970 and won a full year later. Silence of the Lambs was released on Valentines Day 1991 and swept the top four Oscar categories a year later. Weinstein is good at campaigning for Oscars anyway.

I think the time is long overdue for these stupid Summer and Holiday movie season things to end. There's really no point to them anymore. Every reason why a studio must release their big movies during those two periods can be countered easily with hit movies and award winners released outside of those traditional times.

Isn't Star Wars: The Force Awakens violating a release date tradition itself? Aren't all Star Wars movies supposed to be released in May on or near Memorial Day weekend?

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Leo Enticknap
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To be fair, "set and forget" is what is normally done with the astigmatism setting on an anamorph, without any problems. That's why the locking screw is there: you adjust it correctly, using an RP-40 (for '35 scope) or 91 (UP70) loop, tighten the lock screw, and should not have to touch it again unless the lens moves to another theater.

I guess that in this case, the bulk and weight of the UP70 anamorphs being held by the prime behind it might be setting up some vibrations that are making the lock screw vulnerable. All I know is that in our case, the astigmatism setting changed without us fucking with it, as Tarantino would say. I'm not going to be working the runs in any of the temporary installation screens, but if I was, I'd be adding a check of that lock screw to the start-of-shift procedure.

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Bill Brandenstein
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quote: Mark Ogden & "Deadline"
Quentin Tarantino went on the Howard Stern Sirius radio show and spoke about how Disney is strong-arming Arclight Cinemas to push the director’s 70MM presentation of his eighth film The Hateful Eight aside in favor of Star Wars: The Force Awakens in LA’s famed Cinerama Dome. The director first learned about this on Monday.
Is he really that out of touch?

You all had that figured out weeks ago. So the 70mm Arclight tix are on sale now ($17) for a non-Dome room.

Leo's wonderful satire and depiction of QT's utter classiness is spot on.

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Bobby Henderson
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If QT and the Weinstein Co. really didn't know Star Wars would be hogging the top screens, including the Cinerama Dome, then they're just freaking incompetent at timing movie releases as well as being plain out of touch. There's just no excuse for it.

To illustrate just how bad Star Wars is able to Bogart all the screens Disney wants just look at what they did with the premiere: three different theaters on Hollywood Blvd. right next to each other. The Dolby Theater, The TCL Chinese Theater and the El Capitan. Most premieres just get one theater.

If I had been in QT's shoes I would have positioned this movie at a completely different time. Maybe Spring 2016. Not December.

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Leo--that is good to know. Which anamorphic lens do you have--the Isco or the Hyperion?

I wonder if they ever considered foregoing anamorphic projection lenes entirely and just optically printing the anamorphic negative and making spherical prints.

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We had the Iscos last week. We've been alerted to the possibility of another preview screening next week: if it happens, Chapin will send us a pair of Hyperions. Needless to say, whichever one of us ends up showing it will keep a very close eye on the locking mechanism for the astigmatism adjustment.

As for Star Wars, there was at least one theater on Hollywood Boulevard that didn't play the premiere: we had the premiere of Anomalisa at the Egyptian on the same night! I noticed that the block west of Hollywood and Highland (the one with the Dolby, Chinese and El Cap on it) was totally closed and traffic diversions in place, but am ashamed to admit that I didn't twig to the reason why. There's just been so much hype over that show bubbling away for so long that I failed to register that this was the night. No wonder so many people were meowing and hissing about how difficult and/or expensive it was to park that night.

Maybe we should play a double bill of Anomalisa and Sorcerer - two effectively arthouse movies that went up against the Star Wars franchise on their opening nights.

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quote: Scott Norwood
I wonder if they ever considered foregoing anamorphic projection lenes entirely and just optically printing the anamorphic negative and making spherical prints.
You mean like making a rectified print? If memory serves that only works for curved screens. The outer edges of the frame wind up staying somewhat squeezed, but if you project it onto a curved screen the geometry sorts it all out. You loose some aspect ratio width, also.

On the other hand, if you are talking about making a totally flat spherical print from a UP negative, doesn't that kind of get away from the point of the whole thing? Gonna waste a lot of frame on the top and bottom. Plus, a special aperture plate I'm guessing.

There's been other multi-theater premieres before in LA. When I had my place near Westwood I saw several occasions when the Village, Bruin and Regent hosted the same opening. Where you got a ticket depended on your pecking order on the film. The producers and director and stars were seated in the Village, the Regent was Siberia.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
To illustrate just how bad Star Wars is able to Bogart all the screens Disney wants just look at what they did with the premiere: three different theaters on Hollywood Blvd. right next to each other. The Dolby Theater, The TCL Chinese Theater and the El Capitan.
All of which, quite notably, have been upgraded to some form of laser projection; the fourth such screen nearby being Universal City Imax. If there are any other Dolby / Imax laser installations on hand locally, I haven't heard of them.

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AMC's Century City 15 will likely be the next in the L.A. area to get Dolby Cinema/dual laser capability. AMC's Burbank 16 theater has been upgraded to "Dolby Cinema at AMC Prime" already.

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