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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Joe Redifer
which also seemed to be launched for no reason unless I missed that part
You missed that part. The one missile was aimed at the San Andreas Fault, so as to create a new west coast. "My west coast," Luthor says. The other missle was aimed at a random spot in the east, which just happened to be Hackensack NJ where the mother of Luthor's assistant lived....and the assistant made Supe promise that he'd save the mother in exchange for freeing him from the Kryptonite. A pretty good moral dilemma for a comic book movie, I think.

I agree that the "Can You Read My Mind" sequence is majorly puke-inducing, and have always thought that the world-turning-backwards thing was a bit of a cop-out...they got the story into a tight corner and couldn't figure a way out of it, so they went for the "miracle" solution.

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Joe Redifer
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No, I got all of that. I just didn't understand why the Army was launching the missiles.

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Mike Blakesley
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Joe Redifer
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I watched my free Flight o' the Phoenix tonight. It's an alright movie, though I thought the editing in parts was kind of bad. The sound kicked ass, though! It has DTS HD Master Audio (which is what I listened to, automatically cored down to the slightly-better-than-the-theater-version of DTS). DTS stands for "Da Tr00 Sound". I can't wait to listen to it uncompressed and in higher resolution whenever I gets me a new receiver. I don't think the disc features Dolby Trew HD, though. Big deal. I'll just listen to DTSHDMA with my PS3. Loved that part where the fuel thingy blew up... made me jump! This movie is not meant for a home-theater-in-a-box.

Video is advertised as MPEG2 18 mbps, but it was bouncing between 20 and 22 when I checked it. Looked good since the movie was so damn bright.

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Bobby Henderson
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Wal-Mart puts stake through HD DVD's heart

quote: C|Net News Article
Things have gone from bad to worse for HD DVD in the space of one week.

Wal-Mart announced Friday morning that it, too, has chosen a side in the battle for high-definition video supremacy: by June it will only stock Blu-ray Disc players.

A buyer in Wal-Mart's video division wrote this morning on her Wal-Mart Checkout blog that the retail giant had made the decision following Netflix and Best Buy's high-profile announcements that they will exclusively stock Blu-ray products.

Wrote Susan Chronister of Wal-Mart: "By June Wal-Mart will only be carrying Blu-ray movies and hardware machines, and of course standard-def movies, DVD players, and up-convert players."

"So," she continues, not mincing words, "if you bought the HD (DVD) player like me, I'd retire it to the bedroom, kid's playroom, or give it to your parents to play their John Wayne standard-def movies, and make space for a BD player..."

That might be the best option at this point, as the dominoes keep falling in Blu-ray's favor. While Netflix and Best Buy were pretty damning evidence that the end was near, now it's glaringly obvious: it's over for HD DVD. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that consumers will automatically start buying Blu-ray players. As mentioned many times before here, prices will have to continue to fall on both Blu-ray players and packaged media for there to be any sort of mainstream adoption of the format.

There are rumors that Toshiba might soon be declaring defeat: The Hollywood Reporter has sources telling it that Toshiba, the main backer of the HD DVD, might drop its allegiance with the format in the next few weeks.

Toshiba denies it, but stay tuned. There's likely much more to come in this drama.

This news isn't exactly along the same lines as an official press release from Wal-Mart, such as the announcements on Monday by Best Buy and Netflix. Therefore the C|Net article may need to be taken with a few grains of salt.

The story does seem logical in the context of Wal-Mart removing the Venturer and RCA branded HD-DVD players from their online outlets. They're handling fewer Toshiba A3 players (if certain locations are even restocking any at all).

The two Wal-Mart Supercenter locations here in Lawton previously had a just few Blu-Ray titles locked behind the counter, and only 1 title (Close Encounters) on the floor. This week they moved a couple dozen BD titles onto a display rack on the sales floor. The store on Sheridan Rd. is getting remodeled and its electronics dept. was relocated and re-arranged in a different part of the store. It's rack of BD titles is positioned at the front of the department (in good view of security cameras). A handful of HD-DVD titles (some Harry Potter movies and The Kingdom) are off to the right of all the BD movies.

Additional Edit:

Wal-Mart has confirmed reports it plans to phase out all HD-DVD player and HD-DVD movie stock by June in a statement to Blu-Ray.com this morning.

quote: Blu-Ray.com
Wal-Mart has confirmed with Blu-ray.com that beginning in June the world's largest retailer will only stock Blu-ray players and movies. Over the next few months, they will phase out all HD DVD products and reorganize their stores to focus on Blu-ray. This move comes days after similar statements of support for Blu-ray by Internet movie rental site Netflix and retailer Best Buy.

Gary Severson, senior vice president, Home Entertainment, Wal-Mart, U.S. commented, "We've listened to our customers, who are showing a clear preference toward Blu-ray products and movies with their purchases. With the customers best interest in all we do, we wanted to share our decision and timeline with them as soon as possible, knowing it will help simplify their purchase decision, increase selection, and increase adoption long term. We anticipate enhancing our selection with continued great values in hi-definition Blu-ray products, so our customers can further enhance their entertainment experience at home."


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Mike Blakesley
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quote: from the Wal-Mart flunky
With the customers best interest in all we do, we wanted to share our decision and timeline with them as soon as possible, knowing it will help simplify their purchase decision, increase selection, and increase adoption long term.
Oh, please. [puke] Translated into English, this says: "We can make a lot more money if we focus on one format." The only reason Wal-Mart "cares about the customers" is to the extent that they enrich Wal-Mart.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Yea, plus it's basically saying that "we're out to meet the 'supply and demand' for the masses and keep stock fresh at all times. And to continually show a profit every day."

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Tim Reed
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So, which format was better? HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? I hope it was Blu-Ray, since us consumers got the shit end of the stick on the VHS-Beta war.

Although, Sony is notorious for suddenly discontinuing support on equipment, when they want you to buy something else from them.

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Bobby Henderson
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Anyone can interpret the intentions of Wal-Mart however they like. One thing is certain: this is very bad news for HD-DVD. The combination of Wal-Mart's announcements coupled with the ones from Best Buy and Netflix earlier in the week would seem fatal.

Maybe this lends more to the story from The Hollywood Reporter yesterday saying "industry insiders say Toshiba is getting ready to pull the plug on HD-DVD."

I don't know if this means anything extra either: Paramount's new HD-DVD release of Beowulf is encoded in MPEG-4 AVC rather than Microsoft's VC-1 format.

quote: Tim Reed
So, which format was better? HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?
IMHO, Blu-Ray is the better format. Dual layer BDs store up to 50GB. Dual layer HD-DVDs store only 30. Blu-Ray supports up to 54 Mb/sec bandwidth. HD-DVD max bandwidth is only 36Mb/s. In short, Blu-Ray movies can look and sound better.

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David Stambaugh
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Any large retailer like Wal-Mart would be crazy to stick with HD-DVD at this point. Would you if you were them? I doubt it.

Note that I have no love for Wal-Mart. [Razz]

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Mike Blakesley
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Right, I didn't mean Wal-Mart made a bad/misguided decision. It's just their "we love the customer and we'll do anything for the customer" baloney that makes me [puke] .

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Joe Redifer
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HD DVD can still win! Keep supporting the format!

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Adam Wilbert
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quote:
Right, I didn't mean Wal-Mart made a bad/misguided decision. It's just their "we love the customer and we'll do anything for the customer" baloney that makes me [puke] .
yeah. Its a good thing we made it through the holiday season before all of this [bs] hit the fan. I love how Wal*Mart managed to move tons of the cheaper HD players only to drop the format a few months later. Forward thinking at its best (ie, most profitable).

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Ron Funderburg
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Both Blu-Ray and HD are basically the same quality the picture displayed at the same spec's. The difference is in the encoding and the way the information is handled as well as a difference in the size capability of the disk. So there isn't a superior or inferior picture unlike there was with Beta vs VHS.

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Bobby Henderson
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That's incorrect.

MPEG-4 AVC video and VC-1 video streams can be used on Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD.

There are major differences in data capacity and data bandwidth for the two formats. Blu-ray Disc has the clear advantage there. A dual layer BD can store up to 50GB of data, 20GB more than a dual layer HD-DVD disc. A BD movie can support a maximum bandwidth of over 54 million bits per second, which is 17Mb/s more than the bandwidth max of HD-DVD. This is a likely reason why most BD movies have uncompressed or lossless surround while the majority of HD-DVD titles have Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus audio.

Blu-Ray can store movies at significantly higher video and audio bit rates. And it can store the movies natively in 24fps. Linked to a 120Hz TV (or another TV with refresh rates in multiples of 24) you can see native 24fps playback with no 3:2 pulldown done anywhere.

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