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Robert Harrison
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Hey, thanks for the answers, fellas!

Also, thanks for letting me know that Chicago got gypped on "Towering Inferno." It opened exclusively at the Chicago Theater downtown in 35MM mono, unless someone made a big boo-boo and forgot to advertise otherwise.

It has always been catch as catch can with 70 prints in Chicagoland. There have been occasions where the entire first run was in 35 and then some place like the well equipped Tivoli Theater in Downers Grove would get hold of a 70 print for second run, as they did with "Back To The Future."

The Edens Theater #2 in Northbrook was another venue where 70 prints might show up for the first time in this neck of the woods months later as a one week fill-in, as happened with "The Blue Lagoon" and "Close Encounters of the Third Kind: The Special Edition." I believe the McClurg Court in the city was operated by the same local company; they showed "The Right Stuff" in 70 months after its all 35 run.

While I am pontificating, I was wondering why Dolby is always coming up with marketing names for their sound advances, yet they never really came up with anything, advertising-wise, for their 70 split surround format. When "Apocalypse Now" opened, I was working at the aforementioned Golf Mill Theaters, and split surround was installed for the 70 engagement of that film. Yet, if one were to check the newspaper display ads, there was absolutely no mention of this (at the time) new format. I mean, they hawked "MEGASOUND" for the 70 engagements of "Altered States," and now the 7.1 thing, so any thoughts, or facts, anybody on why this was so?

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Michael Coate
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quote: Robert Harrison
I was wondering why Dolby is always coming up with marketing names for their sound advances, yet they never really came up with anything, advertising-wise, for their 70 split surround format. When "Apocalypse Now" opened, I was working at the aforementioned Golf Mill Theaters, and split surround was installed for the 70 engagement of that film. Yet, if one were to check the newspaper display ads, there was absolutely no mention of this (at the time) new format. I mean, they hawked "MEGASOUND" for the 70 engagements of "Altered States," and now the 7.1 thing, so any thoughts, or facts, anybody on why this was so?
I think it was Warner Bros., not Dolby, that pushed the MegaSound thing. It was, essentially, an attempt to standardize (and promote) the "baby boom" aspect of the sound presentation. At least three films were presented in "70mm Six-Track Dolby Stereo + MegaSound."

As for the split surround thing, on Page 11 of this thread I posted what I believe to be a rare example of such promotion. I think Dolby's attitude was that the split surround thing wasn't a bona fide format, but, rather, an enhancement of the "Six-Track Dolby Stereo" format and thus didn't require any additional (and potentially confusing) promotion. Similarly, there was never, to my knowledge, any promotional distinction made for those "Six-Track Dolby Stereo" films that included/excluded "baby boom" content or used five, instead of three, screen channels.

I believe Dolby felt that most of the promotion of their presentations was the responsibility of the distributor and exhibitor. The one issue on which Dolby was rigid was if a theater used an audio processor from a competitor, the word "Dolby" was to be removed from advertising. Some exhibitors, such as SamEric, got pretty creative with this sticking point.

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Okay, today's entry:

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San Francisco Chronicle, January 20, 1984.

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Robert Harrison
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Thanks, Michael. Maybe Bobby Henderson can come up with a logo for Split Surround, if he hasn't already, just for fun's sake?

And now, a couple of ads from Chicago's Dimension 150 theaters back in the late 1960s:

First up, a roadshow for "Oliver."

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Next, another case of a film showing in 70 in a later run. "Where Eagles Dare" originally opened downtown at the Chicago Theater, but played in 35 mag. Note the old "M" rating, the precursor to "GP" which eventually became "PG."

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San Francisco Chronicle, October 23, 1967.

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Mark Campbell
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Weren't the 70mm versions of GWTW horrendously cropped at top and bottom as the original was 1.33:1?

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Mark Lensenmayer
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On that 70mm version of GWTW, I clearly remember seeing the image sliding up and down...sort of a vertical version of pan-and-scan. I don't think many people noticed, though.

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Robert Harrison
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The aforementioned MEGASOUND from 1981...

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Hey, Michael Coate,

Can you find a 70 ad for the James Bond film "Moonraker?" A Dolby ad back in the day said it was available in that format, but it only played in 35 in Chicago.

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Michael Coate
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Robert... I've found no credible evidence that "Moonraker" played in 70mm anywhere in the United States. Of the official James Bond movies, I believe only "Octopussy" (1983) had 70mm presentations in the U.S.

I believe "Moonraker" was mixed in six-track with the intent of being released in 70mm (hence the inclusion on some of the Dolby lists), but, ultimately, I think United Artists changed their mind and released it only in 35mm (with some prints in Dolby SVA).

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I have an old bookings sheet that was sent to me. It really is amazing how long some of these 70MM titles played at their locations.

Example:

Star Trek IV: Nov 26th 1986- Feb 26th 1987 at the Sheraton II in Toronto.

The Untouchables: June 3rd 1987 - Sept 17th 1987 in Cinema 1 (THX) at the Sussex Centre

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Robert Harrison
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Hey, Michael,

Thanks for the info on the Bond flicks. You would think with a franchise like that, they would have been releasing them in 70 since at least "Thunderball."

Anyone remember Associated Film Distribution? From 1981...

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I've really enjoyed this thread with all the great ads posted - thanks from a new member [Smile]
Michael Coate you beat me to posting the 70mm Gone with the Wind ad.
I have a complete newspaper supplement when it played here at the Northpark I&II in Dallas. I can post pics if anyone is interested.
From the many things I have read about the 70mm engagement the actors' heads tended to be cut off and to add insult to injury the stereophonic sound wasn't balanced well at all either.
In many cases the rustling dresses/petticoats were louder than the dialogue.
I have some pics in a book that show how the film was converted to 70mm.
Does anyone know if Gone with the Wind was ever presented in 70mm again past 1967?
I know MGM had a "Fabulous Four" re-release package in 1971 or 1974 that consisted of Ryan's Daughter, Dr. Zhivago, Gone with the Wind and 2001 ... unsure if GWTW was presented in 70mm again?

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quote: Keri Delio
I have a complete newspaper supplement when it played here at the Northpark I&II in Dallas. I can post pics if anyone is interested.
I am

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Keri Delio
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^ I'll take some pics of it & upload them in the next few days. It's a bit too fragile to scan being old newsprint that's been folded for over 40 yrs now.

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Robert Harrison
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The non-event of summer 1978, even though I enjoyed it...

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