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Author Topic: 70MM ad thread Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 04-11-2011 09:09 PM                    Does anyone have the answer to what was the last main 70mm (blowup) wide release film? I see "In the Line of Fire" but what was the last.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2011 09:16 AM                     I think True Lies (1994) was the last major release to have a somewhat decent inventory of 70mm blow-up prints. I don't know the exact number of prints though. Any blow-ups made after that were minimal orders. If I remember right, James Cameron's next movie, Titanic -a movie that broke box office records had only six 70mm blow up prints made with DTS time code. And James Cameron footed the bill for those prints.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-12-2011 11:35 AM                     True Lies had sixteen 70mm prints. It's not clear what Tom meant by "main" and "wide release." If he's asking about the super-high print runs (the 200 range), where most markets with any 70mm-equipped theaters got a print, then you'd have to go back to Dick Tracy (1990) and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989).  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2011 12:09 PM                     Dick Tracy and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade had unusually large print inventories, perhaps the largest of the entire blow-up era. Hoffa and Far and Away didn't have as many 70mm prints, but the orders still seemed large to me. What I mean by a "somewhat decent" inventory is where 70mm prints of a given movie were shown in at least one theater in a dozen or so cities on opening day. True Lies was perhaps the last movie to do that with blow-up 5/70mm prints. I can't think of any others made after the summer of 1994 that managed it. Movies from 1993 like Cliffhanger, In the Line of Fire, The Last Action Hero and Geronimo might also fall into that somewhat decent inventory category. At least three of those had at least one 70mm print in Dallas. I'm not sure if In the Line of Fire had any 70mm in Dallas. I felt pretty lucky being able to see Titanic in 70mm DTS at GCC Northpark #1 in Dallas. I think if the theater wasn't such a great place that particular print might have gone elsewhere or never even created. How many 70mm prints were made for the restored version of Vertigo and My Fair Lady?  |  IP: Logged Mark Campbell Expert Film Handler Posts: 148 From: Seattle, WA USA Registered: Jul 2007 posted 04-12-2011 01:35 PM                     Both "Hoffa" and "Far and Away" where shot in 65mm were they not? At the time I was surprised that even though they shot that way, there were many 70mm capable theatres in the Seattle/Tacoma area that only got 35mm prints. All money I guess. Of all the "later" 70mm titles listed in the last few posts here is what I can recall for Seattle/Tacoma: Trues Lies: in 70mm at the then Cineplex Odeon Cinerama Dick Tracy: in 70mm at the GCC Renton Village 8 (I might be wrong) Last Crusade: in 70mm at Tacoma Mall Twin, Tacoma South (move-over from the mall), Cinerama and several others. Was quite wide. Cliffhanger: in 70mm at the Lewis & Clark Last Action Hero: in 70mm at Lewis & Clark as same time as Cliffhanger (different screen) Geronimo: in 70mm at the John Danz Hoffa: 70mm at Guild 45th, John Danz and a couple others. Far and Away: 70mm at Cinerama, John Danz and a couple others Cinerama also ran Vertigo in 70mm DTS and My Fair Lady in 70mm (DTS??) In Tacoma the last films to play in 70mm were Last Crusade at the Tacoma Mall and afterwards Tacoma South and The Abyss at the GCC Lincoln Plaza 8.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2011 02:29 PM                     Hoffa was filmed 35mm anamorphic. Far and Away was shot 5/65mm, making it a true 70mm movie. My Fair Lady restored had 70mm Dolby mag and 35mm prints with DTS and Dolby Digital. Vertigo had 70mm prints with DTS time code. I think Vertigo and Titanic were the only movies the Northpark 1-2 in Dallas showed in 70mm DTS. IMHO a lot more movies should have had 70mm DTS prints struck, even to this day. I still contend 5/70 is the best projection format for standard movie theaters with large or giant sized screens. It's a joke how dozens of theaters have been built since the mid 1990s with colossal sized screens yet only illuminated with 4/35 or digital projection. With 35mm projection on its way to the scrap heap that leaves only digital to do the job. And it doesn't do the job nearly as well as it should. The image may be steady, but the resolution and brightness levels aren't good enough for giant screens. We will be waiting years for the technology to mature where it should be provided the movie theaters stay in business that long. Without movie theaters the 1080p HD standard would become an almost permanent thing.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-12-2011 02:37 PM                     Bobby: I knew what you meant and am essentially in agreement with you. I used the extreme example as a possibility of what Tom may have been asking about. Hopefully Tom will chime in and clarify his question, but, until he does so, discussing print numbers and distribution practices is futile. Mark: Hoffa was shot in 35mm (anamorphic). [EDIT: Bobby posted his comment as I was writing mine.] Hoffa did look pretty damn nice, maybe even approaching 65mm-origination quality (though I didn't care too much for the movie overall). Among the possible reasons it looked so good was (1) it was well shot by Stephen H. Burum, ASC, and (2) it was an Original Aspect Ratio blow-up. Meaning, the 35mm element used in the blow-up utilized less magnification than usual by retaining its 2.39:1 image within the 2.20:1 recommended projection area of the 70mm frame. (Steve Guttag mentioned this technique in this thread a few pages ago.) For his work on Hoffa, Burum was nominated for an Oscar. He also won that year's American Society of Cinematographers award for best-shot feature film.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2011 03:00 PM                     I think Stephen H. Burum used the same 35mm/70mm blow-up technique on Casualties of War. I watched it in 70mm at the National Twin theater in Times Square back in 1989. I specifically remember the projected image looking slightly letter-boxed.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-12-2011 03:03 PM                     Yes, and The Untouchables (1987).  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-13-2011 02:39 PM                     Example of an American production that played domestically in 35mm but in 70mm in selected international territories... Sydney Daily Mirror, December 22, 1966  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-13-2011 07:05 PM                     Nice one, Michael. Good to see you pulling out some of the more obscure titles, especially if they did not play in 70mm in the US.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-14-2011 01:48 PM                     Here are a few more for films that were middle-of-the-road in America but received deluxe treatment internationally... Sydney Daily Telegraph, December 27, 1966 Sydney Daily Telegraph, July 25, 1968 Sydney Daily Telegraph, December 12, 1968 Sydney Daily Mirror, December 24, 1971 Sydney Daily Telegraph, July 26, 1974  |  IP: Logged Keri Delio Film Handler Posts: 26 From: Carrollton, TX, USA Registered: Mar 2011 posted 04-14-2011 05:44 PM                     The Valley of the Dolls ad is great! Thanks so much for sharing that one Michael. I have some ads from the Star Wars Special Edition releases but they don't mention anything about them being 70mm - only THX. I saw it at GCC Northpark I&II ... pretty sure it was 70mm there.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 04-14-2011 06:00 PM                     quote: Keri Delio but they don't mention anything about them being 70mm Because they were only 35mm prints for the Special Edition release. Only the original releases of "Star Wars"(1977), "Empire Strikes Back"(1980) and "Return of the Jedi"(1983) had 70MM prints for those years and select re-issue dates.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-14-2011 06:21 PM                     quote: Keri Delio I have some ads from the Star Wars Special Edition releases but they don't mention anything about them being 70mm - only THX. I saw it at GCC Northpark I&II ... pretty sure it was 70mm there. No it was not. 35mm with Dolby digital. I was their tech and ran projection shifts.  |  IP: Logged

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