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Thomas Hauerslev
Master Film Handler

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From: Copenhagen, Denmark
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 12-28-2015 12:40 PM

“Nobody knows anything...... Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess and, if you're lucky, an educated one.

William Goldman, Adventures in the Screen Trade

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Jim Cassedy
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From: San Francisco, CA
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posted 12-28-2015 12:45 PM

quote: Geoff Jones
My brother is wondering which theater to see it at in San Francisco. It sounds like the Kabuki is it? Is the screen decent-sized?

I measured the screen the other day, and it's just a hair under 31ft wide.
You'll have to 'do the math' to figure out the height.

<edit> D'oh! [Eek!]

I didn't notice that Sam had already responded to your question.

quote: Phil Ranucci
Everybody running the DCP backup?

Instructions I got from Weinstein & BLSI was that running backup was mandatory.

I actually start my DCP backup FIRST. There's a lot of double-checking
platters, & projector & doing house-lites, etc to do when starting the 70mm, so
it's easy to forget to start the DCP. I generated a 2min/30sec "slug" of DCP black
at home, and put it before the feature on the DCP backup. So I start that FIRST,
then I turn around and can devote 100% of my attention to running the 70mm
show. So the DCP winds up running about 90sec-2min behind the 70mmmmm

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 12-28-2015 01:09 PM

Very clever idea - thanks Jim. Sometimes, when I show film prints of rep titles in very poor condition (especially really beat-up 16mm ones), I'll have a BD (or, very rarely, a DVD) following it one minute behind, so that in the event of a serious breakdown with the film projection, I have an option for restarting the show in the time it takes to strike the digital projector's lamp.

However, there have been times when I've forgotten to hit play. Not sure how one would add a slug of black to the start of the disc, but if I'm organized enough to make a DCP from the disc ahead of the show, that's a solution.

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Mike Schulz
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posted 12-28-2015 01:29 PM

I run backup on every show where I am at and sometimes I will forget to start it (I also like the backup to lag behind about 1.5 - 2 minutes) but I can just manually type in the time and cue it up to where I need it. I assume most servers allow this but I won't say *all* servers because I've worked with some (likely older software) where you couldn't do that.

Jim's addition of a couple of minutes of black at the beginning is pretty clever, too.

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-28-2015 02:20 PM

I had my locations do their normal preshow stuff on DCP (the ones that run a preshow). That is complete with all starting cues for the preshow. This way the projectionist doesn't have to turn on the digital, switch sound for the digital, etc. The digital just starts 20-30 minutes prior to the show start.

When the preshow is over, the theaters play their welcome clip (without ANY cues). Then I had them place a "lamp off" cue in the playlist at the end of the welcome clip. 4 minutes of black follows that, followed by the DCP Roadshow file (both black and Roadshow file having no cues).

This way we just roll the film after their welcome clip and don't have to worry about the digital executing commands bringing house lights up early, switching sound on us, etc. It also ensures the projectionists don't have to mess with the digital machine at all and most importantly...the digital machine IS NOT projecting "black video" on top of the 70mm image.

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Jim Cassedy
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posted 12-28-2015 03:08 PM

quote: Brad Miller
the digital machine IS NOT projecting "black video"

I'm keeping the bulb in the Barco off. I'm just 'running dark' as we
used to call it in the film days - - in case there's some catastrophic
failure of the film system I can't recover from quickly, it will be an
easy thing to fire up the bulb, do the audio switch, etc.

>> Has anyone else noticed that there's a small speck of dirt at
the very top of the screen, towards the left side, during most of
the title sequence? (It's there during the UP-70 credit for example)

Looks like it was either from the printer or maybe even the camera gate.

It's small, but definitely there. Drove me crazy the first time I noticed
it, because I meticulously clean everything between shows, and examine
the aperture plate with an eye-loupe for cat hair, dust specks, etc.

It goes away at the end of the credits, when the film fades to black.

> As I mentioned in an earlier post, my aperture plates are very 'full frame'
and this speck is right along the top border. Other venues may or may
not see it if your plates are slightly undersized. But I see it here.

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-28-2015 04:37 PM

quote: Phil Ranucci
We are having one platter that 'hunts' taking up at about the 2 hour mark. Takes up,but makes the operators nervous

Below is a quick video I shot showing a true takeup timing test after I fixed the calibration. Ideally you would do this during the end credits since that is the most weight + inertia for the platter to deal with, but it's close enough to the end of the movie for you get the idea. Run the platter forward to a dead stop while the projector is still at full speed, then see how long it takes (if it even does) for the platter to re-stabilize. It should stabilize quickly like you see in this video.

Warning - please don't do this except at the end of the credits, in the event your platter is not timed properly. Things that could go wrong with this test on an improperly calibrated platter is the takeup arm goes crashing into the motor on the first bounce (you would have to hand-brake the platter to prevent it) or the takeup arm simply drops (you would have to hand-spin it before the "drop" point if it doesn't have enough power to get it spinning quick enough to keep from dropping the show).

Further warning - if you've never done this test before, I do not recommend you do it on an actual print. Use junk film with a "full load" on the platter until you learn how to brake/speed-up the platter by hand when doing this.

THIS is how the takeup SHOULD behave

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-28-2015 05:06 PM

quote: Sally Strasser
No DCP backup playing here, per AMC.

That's odd. I received a report from the AMC Westminster Promenade 24 that the audience saw the film stop, burn and bubble up. The movie stopped and 10 seconds later it was back on screen. Sounds like a DCP backup to me.

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Geoff Jones
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posted 12-28-2015 06:08 PM

quote: Sam D. Chavez
Kabuki screen is 12 x 31 and 50 Ft. throw more or less.

It's large in context as the house is wide and about 300 seats.

Thanks Sam!

I spoke with a manager at the Continental this afternoon. He said it's in their second largest auditorium, and that the print is still in great shape. It definitely sounds like the Continental is the best bet in Denver, especially considering this post from Reddit about Westminster Promenade:

quote:
Saw the 3pm showing on Christmas Day. Drove 2 hours to the theatre and was pretty disappointed to be honest. The screen was one of the smallest I've been to, the projector seemed out of focus, it was not positioned correctly, and a few frames of film about 3/4 through the movie actually burned up!

The Continental manager also said the 7PM (that I was hoping to attend) was already sold out, and that they have been selling out since opening, with folks showing up as much as 90 minutes early for seats.

quote: Joe Redifer
That's odd. I received a report from the AMC Westminster Promenade 24 that the audience saw the film stop, burn and bubble up. The movie stopped and 10 seconds later it was back on screen. Sounds like a DCP backup to me.

Joe, according to Reddit,

quote:
the first showing in Westminster had stopped the movie and gave everyone a refund due to several issues.

So presumably, they spliced it back together minus whatever they destroyed and are still showing it in 70MM.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-28-2015 06:44 PM

Yep. Auditorium 6. I called it! Unless one of their newer auditoriums is bigger than #6, but I doubt it. #6 was the favorite auditorium of the staff before it became a 10-plex. It was one of the two THX auditoriums. The staff much preferred that auditorium over the D-150 screen. Unfortunately the part of the booth for that auditorium is in a very high foot-traffic area right by the manager's office and staff breakroom (unless things have changed), so it'll get dirty faster than if it were somewhere else in the booth.

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Jock Blakley
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posted 12-29-2015 07:31 AM

For those who are curious:

If my reading is correct, reels 2, 8, and 9 are the same between roadshow and general versions.

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There are six confirmed locations in Australia now, three each in Melbourne and Sydney. Prints here are being distributed on cores (in 2500 ft cans inside two-can boxes) as 11 reels (intermission reel 6C separate), with a 12th can for the DTS discs.

As I'm running changeover this is a bit of a pain, since I don't have that many house reels.

Roadshow release opens here on 14 January with general release following on 21 January. I wonder if the distributor here was a bit more sensible about overlap with Star Wars?

On a less-happy note though, I am hearing it suggested that we're "contractually obliged" to have the douser and curtains open for the overture card. Is this happening anywhere else?

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-29-2015 02:16 PM

Jock, the movie will fit comfortably on five 22" house reels.

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Rick Cohen
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posted 12-29-2015 02:34 PM

What was originally planned as a two week 70mm roadshow exclusive at only 100 locations, is now a wide release with DCP preview showings beginning on December 29.

Rampant piracy of the screeners may have had a lot to do with moving the wide release up by ten days, but if I had gone through the trouble and expense of installing 70mm in the booth under the presumption that it would be a 14 day exclusive run, I would be very unhappy with TWC.

Also an interesting article appeared in Tuesday's Variety regarding various projection problems at 70mm locations. One theatre goer in Pennsylvania tweeted,

"Best part of the broken 70MM projector/Hateful 8 print at King of Prussia? The snide theater manager 'This is why we don't do film.'"

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Buck Wilson
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posted 12-29-2015 04:14 PM

Link to above article:

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/hateful-eight-70mm-projection-problems-1201668461/

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Jim Cassedy
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posted 12-29-2015 05:01 PM

Jock- Nice chart! I had manually made something similar when I was doing
some press/preview screenings several weeks ago.

One minor FYI 'nit-picky' point- - The "Intermission Reel"
comes up
as "Reel 13" on the DTS playback display. But that's not a big deal.

As far as curtains open or closed for the "Overture"- -
Weinstein sent out a 'run-of-show' sheet with the print, but
I'm
a projectionist, not a lawyer, so I don't know if that constitutes
a "contract" I will say that the first time I ran the flick, I was
pleasantly surprised that the "overture" card graphic didn't look ad
hokey as I'd imagined it to be. Also, having it there is a great way to
touch up focus, or blow hair out of the gate, etc, if necessary before
the main titles come up. So I've actually found it useful.
(not that I've actually had to do either of those two things...)

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